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Morley Revelation or Nothingburger
« on: October 10, 2024, 04:34:18 PM »
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Morley claimed to have a major story-the most important of his career. But did he?

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Morley Revelation or Nothingburger
« on: October 10, 2024, 04:34:18 PM »


Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Morley Revelation or Nothingburger
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2024, 06:28:26 PM »
Morley claimed to have a major story-the most important of his career. But did he?

https://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2024/10/morley-revelation-or-nothingburger.html
Tracy: What are your thoughts/views on that Win Scott manuscript ("It Came To Little" and "A Foul Foe") that was found after his death where he mentions that the CIA in Mexico City "closely monitored" Oswald when he was there and that they took numerous photos of him going in and out of the Cuban and Soviet Embassies (nothing about a video)? Frankly, I think Scott was blowing smoke and exaggerating matters. After all his personal assistant reports officer Anne Goodpasture testified that she saw no photos, that she sent that photo of the "mystery man" to Dallas (I would think that if they had photos of the real Oswald they wouldn't have sent that later photo of someone who is *clearly* not him?). It seems to me that if everything, i.e., the photos, essentially went through her to Scott - at least matters regarding surveillance of "walk ins" to the Soviet and Cuban facilities - she would have know about them? But again, she said that while she didn't know all of the coverage of the facilities she saw no such photos of Oswald. So how would Scott see them but not her?

As to Morley: at this point his credibility is gone. He's now reduced to engaging in serial exaggeration and hyperbole. All sizzle and not only no steak, no hamburger either.

The section in question written by Scott can be read here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=79946#relPageId=3
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Re: Morley Revelation or Nothingburger
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2024, 08:41:18 PM »
Steve,

I believe you have covered it perfectly. I think the manuscript, rather than an "autobiography" as it is often described, was a vehicle for Scott to spout off without having to be 100 percent adherent to facts although there are undoubtedly elements of truth there. I don't believe there ever were any photos and the CIA bureaucrats simply messed up. Of course, CTs believe the agency is all powerful and infallible so they had to have photos. Yes, Morley has fallen a long way from his glory days in the late nineties. A real shame.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2024, 09:56:34 PM »
Steve,

I believe you have covered it perfectly. I think the manuscript, rather than an "autobiography" as it is often described, was a vehicle for Scott to spout off without having to be 100 percent adherent to facts although there are undoubtedly elements of truth there. I don't believe there ever were any photos and the CIA bureaucrats simply messed up. Of course, CTs believe the agency is all powerful and infallible so they had to have photos. Yes, Morley has fallen a long way from his glory days in the late nineties. A real shame.
Morley says any suggestion that Scott made up the Oswald photos account in his manuscript is "unsupported". That's true if, among other things, you ignore the statements by Anne Goodpasture and Phillips, both of whom testified that they saw no photos. They would most certainly, it seems to me given their jobs, to have seen any such photos. Goodpasture testified that she was in charge of routing the photos; that is the photos went through her. And if you read the other parts you'll see that Scott is simply making things up, making claims about what he knew about Oswald before the assassination that were only learned later and after it.

Anyway, if Morley wants to be a conspiracy advocate - to pore over this material and plunk pluck out those pieces that support his "the CIA did it view" and ignore any contradictory evidence - then fine; but he's simply not, at this point, a neutral assassination researcher by any measure.
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Re: Morley Revelation or Nothingburger
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2024, 12:56:10 AM »
https://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2024/10/fact-checking-morley-press-conference.html
Thanks for the review. He's really flailing here.

And, quelle surprise, Morley repeats the Win Scott claims made in his (Scott's) manuscript.

Right after the assassination, Scott's top aide/routing officer Anne Goodpasture pored over the photos taken of people entering the Soviet Embassy and selected one she thought possibly may have been Oswald (since he had phoned the Soviet Embassy that day, Tuesday, October 1). The CIA station, e.g., Goodpasture, at that early time didn't know what Oswald looked like. As she later said it was a mistake to do since she didn't know who the person was. But again, she didn't know at that early stage what Oswald looked like. So she sends the photo to Dallas.

If they were "closely monitoring" Oswald as Scott claimed and had taken numerous photos of him then why would Goodpasture send a photo that's clearly not Oswald to Dallas? Didn't she know, as routing officer for the photos, what Oswald looked like? From the ones Scott supposedly received? Why not send those photos of Oswald? But again as she said, at that time she didn't know what Oswald looked like. The same Oswald that Scott claimed to have been "closely monitored" while in Mexico City? This makes no sense at all.

Shorter: Scott was making it up.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2024, 09:26:59 PM »
Tracy: Morley said this re his request for Joannides' intelligence/personnel files: "[T]he intelligence methods that Joannides was using at the time of his agents were in contact with Oswald."

Okay, so he thinks (again, this is, as you know, his chief obsession) the withheld files, despite the evidence otherwise, contain information of Joannides (and Angleton/CI) using Oswald, wittingly or not, in an anti-Fair Play for Cuba operation. That is to make the group look bad.

But this part - "at the time of his agents [who] were in contact with Oswald" is a whopper. He is referring to Bringuier, Hernandez and Quiroga right? The three DRE members of the DRE chapter in New Orleans that confronted Oswald when he was protesting for Castro.

What is the evidence they were Joannides' agents? Bringuier said that he never met Joannides, something that would clearly had happened if he, Joannides, was in control of these alleged "agents." And the others were just young Cubans who were against Castro. They were not agents or operatives; they were just young men agitating against Castro. This is for me another example of him grossly exaggerating matters.
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Re: Morley Revelation or Nothingburger
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2024, 03:52:10 PM »
Steve,

No evidence at all that the New Orleans DRE were Joannides' "agents." According to extensive research by Dale Myers, the DRE delegation included just two men-Bringuier and Hernandez. Myers and Morley had a back and forth on the subject and Myers reviewed documentation Morley provided to support his assertion that there were four members of the DRE in NO. Not surprisingly, he came to a different conclusion than Morley. But even if that were true, I am aware of no evidence that any of these four men were "agents" of Joannides. See the following for more info:

https://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/p/dre-faq.html

https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/06/last-word-bringuier-joannides-and-dre.html

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