Tippit Debate

[Martin Weidmann]

I brought up no such thing.  You're confused.

Whether they knew the guy was a killer or not is irrelevant.  Stupid question.

I brought up no such thing.  You're confused.

Sorry, my bad. I thought I was replying to a quote from John Mytton, as we were having a conversation.

I completely missed that you jumped in, which explains my confusion.

[John Iacoletti]

All I can say is if I was viewing a line-up and no one matched the person who I saw, I wouldn't send an innocent man to his death, but perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different?

People in general (not just Americans) are easily manipulated by authority figures.  Look at all the BS you swallow just because a cop said so.

[Zeon Mason]

Mr.I and Martin , I generally with your criticisms about the line up. I was mislead by a photo of fake line up in which the other 3 guys are wearing suits while Oswald. Bill set me straight one so that’s why I sometimes agree with LNs on some details.

But the “officially accepted “ line up photo that maybe Bill or Martin is able to post, still I think is probably not fair.

Maybe a definition of what a fair line up would be is in order. I’m not really sure, but Oswald has a cut over his eye and looks kind of roughed up, then it seems maybe the other 3 guys should appear kind of disheveled in some way also.

And maybe all persons should  the same height and wearing the same clothes not different colors and if Oswald was shouting out then the other 3 guys should also shout /protest in some way.

And is 4 people enough? Or should it have been more and if so how many more?

[John Mytton]

Mr.I and Martin , I generally with your criticisms about the line up. I was mislead by a photo of fake line up in which the other 3 guys are wearing suits while Oswald. Bill set me straight one so that’s why I sometimes agree with LNs on some details.

But the “officially accepted “ line up photo that maybe Bill or Martin is able to post, still I think is probably not fair.

Maybe a definition of what a fair line up would be is in order. I’m not really sure, but Oswald has a cut over his eye and looks kind of roughed up, then it seems maybe the other 3 guys should appear kind of disheveled in some way also.

And maybe all persons should  the same height and wearing the same clothes not different colors and if Oswald was shouting out then the other 3 guys should also shout /protest in some way.

And is 4 people enough? Or should it have been more and if so how many more?

If I recall correctly line ups 1+2 Oswald was wearing his brown shirt and for line ups 3+4 Oswald was dressed as following.

In this line up, all men appear to be similar height and weight.



JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

So we have Direct Evidence.
We have Forensic evidence.
We have Physical Evidence.
We have Documentary Evidence[/b][/size]

 

You have a gun with no chain of custody, and a bunch of stories.

[John Iacoletti]

Whether they knew the guy was a killer or not is irrelevant.

Of course it's relevant.  You can't see a "killer" if you see no "killing".  Nor can you tell somebody is "fleeing" if you witnessed nothing to be "fled" from.

You're just using loaded language to try to bolster a weak argument.

[John Iacoletti]

Maybe a definition of what a fair line up would be is in order.

It's fairly well understood what is necessary to make a lineup as objective and unbiased as possible.

- Fillers should generally resemble each other and the suspect
- Fillers and the suspect should be dressed alike
- Fillers should resemble the witness's pre-lineup description of the suspect
- There should be a minimum of 5 fillers
- The person administering the lineup should not know who the suspect is
- If the suspect has an unusual or unique feature that would make him stand out then it should be concealed, or the fillers should have the same thing artificially added
- Witnesses should not attend lineups together
- The witness should not be visible to the suspect or fillers
- The suspect's position in each lineup should be randomly placed
- Witnesses should be told that the suspect may or may not be in the lineup
- Witnesses should be asked how certain they are of the identification
- Witnesses should not have been biased by media reports prior to the lineup
- Witnesses shouldn't be pressured to make a selection

https://www.ncjrs.gov/nij/eyewitness/eyewitness_id.html

[John Mytton]

Perhaps it is you who needs to "learn the case".

Maybe you should read your own posts, Bill was responding to your post about the line up with the two policemen and Oswald was wearing his brown shirt at the time whereas the example you gave was a completely different line-up! DOH!

EDIT, I see you removed your post after you realized your HUGE mistake. Good!

JohnM