Tippit Debate

[John Iacoletti]

The Police radio time check @12:30 was synchronized with the Hertz time clock @12:30 above the TSBD.

That was channel 2.

[John Iacoletti]

"Best" as in the transcript matches up more precisely to the recordings than any other alternative.

Matches up, according to you, to recordings you have been told are original.  If you want to argue that some later tape dubs conform to the original dictabelts, you need to provide evidence of it. Otherwise, that notion is just some random invention.

[John Iacoletti]

It doesn't matter what you call them. None of your four documents reference any clock, and all are second, third, or fourth-hand accounts.

Further, three of your four sources work just fine with the Bowley transmission clocking in at 1:18 +/- 2 min.

Your "1:18 +/- 2 min" invention doesn't reference any clock and isn't even a second, third, or fourth-hand account.

[Mitch Todd]

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't think you do either.

I know exactly what I'm arguing. I've been through all this in detail before elsewhere on this forum. So far, all you managed to do is throw some semi-random references to vaguely argued threads on another forum.   

[Michael Capasse]

I know exactly what I'm arguing. I've been through all this in detail before elsewhere on this forum. So far, all you managed to do is throw some semi-random references to vaguely argued threads on another forum.   

 

[John Iacoletti]

I know exactly what I'm arguing. I've been through all this in detail before elsewhere on this forum. So far, all you managed to do is throw some semi-random references to vaguely argued threads on another forum.   

So far, all you’ve done is assert that the recordings you’ve heard are continuous and original merely because you hear no 4 second gaps in an existing copy. Gaps can be edited too. And you have yet to acknowledge that your alleged calculated time of the “hello police operator” broadcast still tells us nothing about the time Tippit was shot.

[Zeon Mason]

What about that axiom that the simple solution is probably the correct one.? So isn’t the proposition that Oswald was double timing a simple way to make the timeline work out so that Markams 1:06-7 sighting and Bowleys 1:10 watch and Calloway’s  estimate match up fairly well with the 1:15 DOA by the emergency doctor?

And double timing is certainly a plausible action that an anxious, upset , worried Oswald would do if his intention was to leave TSBD and get back to his boarding house asap to get a revolver?

It’s really an argument about why Oswald was so upset anxious paranoid etc, that he felt compelled to return to his boarding house as his 1st priority rather than to seek out his wife and children and assure their safety.

LN : this is what a crazy person who just shot the President would do so it’s not surprising that he shot Tippit on his way to see a movie.

CT :Oswald’s paranoia was for other reason. It could be from indirect involvement in some way or suspicion about something or someone whom Oswald knew  like Jack Ruby. So Oswald’s decision to prioritize boarding house was to get the revolver and then where Oswald exactly was headed may not have originally been the theater.

Conclusion: Double timing is the simple way to make the timeline work allowing Oswald to have shot Tippit at 1:08. Paranoia is a good reason Oswald was double timing. Prioritizing boarding house over family therefore was a self preservation act to get a revolver to deal with the most immediate threat perceived by a paranoid Oswald which was that he might himself be the next victim due to his association with characters like Jack Ruby or that the FBI or CIA had set him up. The shooting of Tippit therefore does not de facto mean that Oswald was the JFK assassin.

[Tom Graves]

What about that axiom that the simple solution is probably the correct one.? So isn’t the proposition that Oswald was double timing a simple way to make the timeline work out so that Markams 1:06-7 sighting and Bowleys 1:10 watch and Calloway’s  estimate match up fairly well with the 1:15 DOA by the emergency doctor?

And double timing is certainly a plausible action that an anxious, upset , worried Oswald would do if his intention was to leave TSBD and get back to his boarding house asap to get a revolver?

It’s really an argument about why Oswald was so upset anxious paranoid etc, that he felt compelled to return to his boarding house as his 1st priority rather than to seek out his wife and children and assure their safety.

LN : this is what a crazy person who just shot the President would do so it’s not surprising that he shot Tippit on his way to see a movie.

CT :Oswald’s paranoia was for other reason. It could be from indirect involvement in some way or suspicion about something or someone whom Oswald knew  like Jack Ruby. So Oswald’s decision to prioritize boarding house was to get the revolver and then where Oswald exactly was headed may not have originally been the theater.

Conclusion: Double timing is the simple way to make the timeline work allowing Oswald to have shot Tippit at 1:08. Paranoia is a good reason Oswald was double timing. Prioritizing boarding house over family therefore was a self preservation act to get a revolver to deal with the most immediate threat perceived by a paranoid Oswald which was that he might himself be the next victim due to his association with characters like Jack Ruby or that the FBI or CIA had set him up. The shooting of Tippit therefore does not de facto mean that Oswald was the JFK assassin.

If you'd just shot JFK from the TSBD and gotten away, would you walk fast / jog for about a mile through a residential neighborhood and risk bringing attention to yourself?