Tippit Debate

[John Iacoletti]

I don't ignore anything.
The police tapes tell you that the Tippit shooting occurred around 1:15/1:16.
Fact.

Calling an unsubstantiated claim a "fact" does not make it one.

The police tapes tell you exactly nothing about what time the shooting occurred. 

[Martin Weidmann]

The lineups were egregiously unfair and biased, and thus unreliable as evidence.  Many of the "identifications" weren't even lineups.

And let's get real. The chances that every witness at a fair line up selects the same person are minimal.

Take the Davis girls, for example. They heard shots and ran to their front door. Given the distance the shooter had to run from Tippit's car to their front door is minimal, it's amazing just how quickly those girls must have reached the front door, but that aside. They said that when they arrived they saw a man running through their front garden and past the front door. Now how long - be honest - did it take the shooter to pass their front door? Three seconds, four or five?

So, we are asked to believe that two girls who only saw a guy running past their front door for a few seconds, managed to both identify that man hours later during a line up? Really?

Their powers of observation must be phenomenally out of this world!

[John Iacoletti]

Let's see.....do I pick one of the nicely dressed police detectives, or the guy in the messed-up T-shirt and a cut-up forehead screaming about how unfair the lineup is?

The police are demanding to know "which one?"

Tough call.

[John Mytton]

Let's see.....do I pick one of the nicely dressed police detectives, or the guy in the messed-up T-shirt and a cut-up forehead screaming about how unfair the lineup is?

The police are demanding to know "which one?"

Tough call.

All I can say is if I was viewing a line-up and no one matched the person who I saw, I wouldn't send an innocent man to his death, but perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different?

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

All I can say is if I was viewing a line-up and no one matched the person who I saw, I wouldn't send an innocent man to his death, but perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different?

JohnM

perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different

They are! The innocence project frequently gets convictions overturned of people who were wrongly identified by one or more witnesses, who, without malice, actually - incorrectly - believed the arrested man was the one they had seen.

It happens more often than you think.

 

[John Mytton]

perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different

They are! The innocence project frequently gets convictions overturned of people who were wrongly identified by one or more witnesses, who, without malice, actually - incorrectly - believed the arrested man was the one they had seen.

It happens more often than you think.

I'm well aware of the "innocence project" and have read cases of imprisoned innocent men, many of whom were convicted on the say so of an SA'd woman but can you show me a case where half a dozen people all mistakenly identify a suspect in broad daylight in the middle of the day?

But don't forget that there is powerful evidence of Oswald being seen discarding shells that were an exclusive match to the revolver he was arrested with.
Oswald was seen wearing a jacket that was found in a nearby car park that he was identified as entering.
Oswald was arrested without this jacket.
Oswald also used the same revolver in an attempt to kill more Police while being arrested in the Texas Theater.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm well aware of the "innocence project" and have read cases of imprisoned innocent men, many of whom were convicted on the say so of an SA'd woman but can you show me a case where half a dozen people all mistakenly identify a suspect in broad daylight in the middle of the day?

But don't forget that there is powerful evidence of Oswald being seen discarding shells that were an exclusive match to the revolver he was arrested with.
Oswald was seen wearing a jacket that was found in a nearby car park that he was identified as entering.
Oswald was arrested without this jacket.
Oswald also used the same revolver in an attempt to kill more Police while being arrested in the Texas Theater.

JohnM

can you show me a case where half a dozen people all mistakenly identify a suspect in broad daylight in the middle of the day?

That's exactly the point. If six witnesses watch an event, you'll get six different stories, yet here we are to believe that six people agreed about the identity of the same man.

But don't forget that there is powerful evidence of Oswald being seen discarding shells that were an exclusive match to the revolver he was arrested with.
Oswald was seen wearing a jacket that was found in a nearby car park that he was identified as entering.
Oswald was arrested without this jacket.
Oswald also used the same revolver in an attempt to kill more Police while being arrested in the Texas Theater.

None of this is "powerful evidence". For the biggest part it's nothing more than the usual LN assumptions based on misrepresentation of the actual evidence.

[Bill Brown]

Let's see.....do I pick one of the nicely dressed police detectives, or the guy in the messed-up T-shirt and a cut-up forehead screaming about how unfair the lineup is?

The police are demanding to know "which one?"

Tough call.

Just an FYI, Oswald would have been wearing the brown arrest shirt over the T-shirt.
Learn the case.