Tippit Debate

[John Iacoletti]

If I recall correctly line ups 1+2 Oswald was wearing his brown shirt and for line ups 3+4 Oswald was dressed as following.

Yeah, maybe Bill needs to "learn the case".

In this line up, all men appear to be similar height and weight.

Two teenagers and a Mexican.

By the way, the Mexican filler, Lujan, testified that the Satur-day lineup never even took place.  Even though there were supposedly results from it.

Mr. LUJAN. He was shouting. He--he was shouting, said all of us had a shirt on and he had a T-shirt on. He wanted a shirt or something.
Mr. BALL. Did the detective say anything to you--or him?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; just took us out. They didn't have the showup. Left about a minute.
Mr. BALL. Then you left?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes; took us out back to the cell.

[John Iacoletti]

Maybe you should read your own posts, Bill was responding to your post about the line up with the two policemen and Oswald was wearing his brown shirt at the time whereas the example you gave was a completely different line-up! DOH!

He was still wearing a messed up T-shirt. DOH!

EDIT, I see you removed your post after you realized your HUGE mistake. Good!

No, I removed it because I saw that you had already made the point.  Yet another flawed "Mytton" assumption.

[John Mytton]

Two teenagers and a Mexican.

By the way, the Mexican filler, Lujan, testified that the SaPersonay lineup never even took place.  Even though there were supposedly results from it.

Mr. LUJAN. He was shouting. He--he was shouting, said all of us had a shirt on and he had a T-shirt on. He wanted a shirt or something.
Mr. BALL. Did the detective say anything to you--or him?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; just took us out. They didn't have the showup. Left about a minute.
Mr. BALL. Then you left?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes; took us out back to the cell.

A Mexican with similar colouring to Oswald, the Dallas Police used the men they had available or should they have had a nation wide casting call?

Mr. BALL. What did the other man look like in the showup with you?
Mr. LUJAN. Oh, about my coloring, and about----
Mr. BALL. Same coloring?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Or anywhere near the coloring of Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.

Or perhaps they should have quickly created a supply of clones? But even that wouldn't satisfy you!



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[Zeon Mason]

Ok there’s 4 lineups? Which line up and  How were the other 3 guys dressed and their appearance when Markam was there?

[John Iacoletti]

A Mexican with similar colouring to Oswald, the Dallas Police used the men they had available or should they have had a nation wide casting call?

Maybe they could have done better than nicely dressed police detectives, two teenagers, and a Mexican.  But of course they weren't going for a fair lineup.

Or perhaps they should have quickly created a supply of clones? But even that wouldn't satisfy you!

You are satisfied with any weak, ridiculous nonsense that you think supports your fantasies.

[Bill Brown]

I brought up no such thing.  You're confused.

Sorry, my bad. I thought I was replying to a quote from John Mytton, as we were having a conversation.

I completely missed that you jumped in, which explains my confusion.

No worries.

[Zeon Mason]

Well the standard in 63 for line ups was inferior to what is considered fair today if Mr I list is the current standard.

So judging from 2025 standards , the line ups were not as fair as they  could or should have been, just as the handling of evidence in 63 was  also lower standard.

By today’s standards then , must we discard a lot of the evidence as not acceptable if there’s a faulty chain of custody and  63 line up standard faulty also?

That Bugliosi Mock Trial was aptly named I guess

[Bill Brown]

Yeah, maybe Bill needs to "learn the case".

I was clearly referring to the Friday night lineups.  Everyone knows Oswald no longer had the brown arrest shirt after the Friday night press conference.
Your point is invalid.