Tippit Debate

[Zeon Mason]

In the Friday line up, Oswald had the cut and bruised eye, and he’s looking pretty ragged compared to the other 3 guys with their hair combed and dressed in different type and color shirts.

But perhaps the eyewitnesses at this 1st lineup recognized Oswald’s face more than any other detail?

Markams WC testimony at least seems to confirm she recognizes Oswald’s face. But the then she got  confused about the question if she’s ever seen no. 2 (Oswald) before.

Imo, it’s the word “before” which perhaps Markam is mistaking  to mean had she ever seen Oswald prior to having seen him on that day of Friday Oct 63.

[John Iacoletti]

Well the standard in 63 for line ups was inferior to what is considered fair today if Mr I list is the current standard.

So judging from 2025 standards , the line ups were not as fair as they  could or should have been, just as the handling of evidence in 63 was  also lower standard.

By today’s standards then , must we discard a lot of the evidence as not acceptable if there’s a faulty chain of custody and  63 line up standard faulty also?

That Bugliosi Mock Trial was aptly named I guess

Absolutely.  Even if that was "just the way they did things back then", all that means is that they had a habit of doing invalid lineups at the time.  It doesn't magically make them any more reliable.  The standards were developed because "the way they did things back then" was not valid.

[John Iacoletti]

I was clearly referring to the Friday night lineups.  Everyone knows Oswald no longer had the brown arrest shirt after the Friday night press conference.
Your point is invalid.

No, my point stands.  Whether he had the tattered brown shirt on or not, he still was in a messed-up T-shirt and had a cut-up forehead and was screaming about how unfair the lineup is.

[Tom Graves]

No, my point stands.  Whether he had the tattered brown shirt on or not, he still was in a messed-up T-shirt and had a cut-up forehead and was screaming about how unfair the lineup is.

Maybe that's what the KGB told him to do.

[Bill Brown]

No, my point stands.  Whether he had the tattered brown shirt on or not, he still was in a messed-up T-shirt and had a cut-up forehead and was screaming about how unfair the lineup is.

Stop it.  If he had the brown shirt on, the T-shirt was completely irrelevant.

[Zeon Mason]

How much of Oswald’s t-shirt was visible when he was in the 1st line up wearing his ragged brown shirt?

In the next lineups that followed latter had any witnesses seen photos of Oswald arrested the day before or hours before and or had they  seen any TV camera recordings of Oswald being arrested?

If they did , does that disqualify the witness ID of  Oswald by current law or is it irrelevant?

[John Iacoletti]

Stop it.  If he had the brown shirt on, the T-shirt was completely irrelevant.

The messed-up brown shirt with missing buttons?  How would that prevent somebody from noticing the messed-up T-shirt?

[Bill Brown]

The messed-up brown shirt with missing buttons?  How would that prevent somebody from noticing the messed-up T-shirt?

Completely unrelated to the point you were TRYING to make when you first mentioned the T-shirt.