Tippit Debate

[John Iacoletti]

Who defects to the enemy at the height of the cold war?
Who after painfully discovering that his trip to Russia was a colossal failure because he envisioned himself as having a significant impact, comes crawling back to America?
Who after being denied entrance to Russia has a hissy fit and slashes his own wrists and then writes in his "Historic Diary" that he decided to "end it" and that Rimma will come to "find me dead" and to top it off, the Russians put Oswald in the "insanity ward"
Who beats his wife.
Who attempts to kill General Walker, does a sane man kill someone he doesn't even know for a cause?
Who uses an alias to buy murder weapons.
Who kills a President?, if that isn't absolutely bonkers crazy then I don't know what is.
Who kills a poor cop for simply stopping him.
Who tries to kill more cops when he's arrested.
Who tells the most absurd lies to his interrogators.

Oswald was a disturbed young man who through violence sought to change the World.

Or you are disturbed for believing all of that crap...

[Zeon Mason]

Why didn’t they kick Oswald out of the USMC when he started speaking Russian and praising Castro and the USSR? This was 1958 and its the height of the Cold War and the USMC is willing to tolerate a commie sympathizer and trust him with throwing grenades and shooting auto rifles during the training period?

What about that photo of Oswald in the company of Alpha 66 members at some point during his training?

Then they sent the commie sympathizer kook to the top secret base in Japan where he could have access to codes and listen in on USSR radio traffic.

Then the U2 spy plane getting shot down , and Oswald gets his hardship discharge and then he defects to USSR and gets the job in Minsk.
 
And Marina Oswald who already previously had met the other defectors , (her uncle being a KGB officer ?) meets Oswald too, they get married , and then back to the USA no problem.

So JohnM could be right that Oswald was just a random kook, but these coincidences seem
 to indicate Oswald was a CIA trained kook.

[Bill Brown]

Oswald had NO advantage at all in the line ups.
 
They had fill-ins that looked nothing like him or the witness descriptions.
Police officers dressed in suit jackets - collared shirt and dress slacks - vests, or button down sweaters - blonde hair and some much heavier.
Oswald complained about the process loudly and incessantly -  Held for 44+ hours with no attorney.

Leavelle to the witnesses: "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer.
We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him."

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They had fill-ins that looked nothing like him or the witness descriptions.
Police officers dressed in suit jackets

Suit jackets?  Do you really believe that?  Laughable.

[Michael Capasse]

Suit jackets?  Do you really believe that?  Laughable.

Mr. BALL. How were these men dressed that were in this showup?
Mr. BOYD. Well, let me think--some of them had coats and slacks....

Mr. BALL Ables was in his shirt sleeves. What about the two officers, Perry?
Mr. BOYD. Now, I remember Perry had on a coat, but he didn't have his shirt buttoned back up at the top, I remember that.

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Don Ables also looked very nice, in a button down sweater, dress slacks, and a collared shirt.

Mr. BALL - How were you dressed when you went in the showup room?
Mr. ABLES - I was wearing a white shirt and this sweater here [indicating].

Mr. BALL - You have a gray-knit sweater on?
Mr. ABLES - Yes.

Mr. BALL - And dark trousers?
Mr. ABLES - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - Have a tie on?
Mr. ABLES - No.

Mr. BALL - Then you were dressed about like you are dressed today, is that right?
Mr. ABLES - Yes.



If I was going to testify before the Warren Commission, I would look my best.
It is a benefit this guy was dressed in nearly the same clothes the day he testified, as he wore in the lineups. He looks sharp.
Lee on the other hand is in a ragged torn shirt and the only one with cuts and bruises on his face, and in later lineups, a T shirt.
He loudly complained about not being allowed a jacket like the others. Line ups simply were not fair. No attorney would have allowed it.

[Bill Brown]

Mr. BALL. How were these men dressed that were in this showup?
Mr. BOYD. Well, let me think--some of them had coats and slacks....

Mr. BALL Ables was in his shirt sleeves. What about the two officers, Perry?
Mr. BOYD. Now, I remember Perry had on a coat, but he didn't have his shirt buttoned back up at the top, I remember that.

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Don Ables also looked very nice, in a button down sweater, dress slacks, and a collared shirt.

Mr. BALL - How were you dressed when you went in the showup room?
Mr. ABLES - I was wearing a white shirt and this sweater here [indicating].

Mr. BALL - You have a gray-knit sweater on?
Mr. ABLES - Yes.

Mr. BALL - And dark trousers?
Mr. ABLES - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - Have a tie on?
Mr. ABLES - No.

Mr. BALL - Then you were dressed about like you are dressed today, is that right?
Mr. ABLES - Yes.



If I was going to testify before the Warren Commission, I would look my best.
It is a benefit this guy was dressed in nearly the same clothes the day he testified, as he wore in the lineups. He looks sharp.
Lee on the other hand is in a ragged torn shirt and the only one with cuts and bruises on his face, and in later lineups, a T shirt.
He loudly complained about not being allowed a jacket like the others. Line ups simply were not fair. No attorney would have allowed it.

Perry stated that he took off his suit jacket and put on a sports coat.
No other participants in any of the lineups wore a suit jacket.

[Michael Capasse]

Perry stated that he took off his suit jacket and put on a sports coat.
No other participants in any of the lineups wore a suit jacket.

I never said it was more than one  - although Boyd says "some of them" and Bookout said -"jackets on others"
There were only 3 fill ins

Another wore a collared shirt, red vest and dress slacks.
And the third one was "Dapper Don". There he is with a button down sweater, dress slacks and collared shirt.
Meanwhile, Lee had a rats-torn tee shirt, cuts and bruises on his face, and a black eye.

Mr. BOOKHOUT - I recall one of the interviews that he complained about the lineup that he was in,
that he wasn't allowed to wear a jacket similar to jackets worn by others in the lineup.

Lineups were completely unfair and no attorney would've allow them.

[Zeon Mason]

Well that guy that’s wearing a light almost white jacket and dark pants fits better  the description of the shooter than does  Oswald only wearing a brown  long sleeve shirt.

So that might an advantage for Oswald as long as none of the witness were aware of report of a jacket having been discarded by the shooter.

Not really sure how much was known by witnesses from TV, radio and newspaper reports and photos of Oswald before they picked him out of the lineup.

[John Mytton]

I never said it was more than one  - although Boyd says "some of them" and Bookout said -"jackets on others"
There were only 3 fill ins

Another wore a collared shirt, red vest and dress slacks.
And the third one was "Dapper Don". There he is with a button down sweater, dress slacks and collared shirt.
Meanwhile, Lee had a rats-torn tee shirt, cuts and bruises on his face, and a black eye.

Mr. BOOKHOUT - I recall one of the interviews that he complained about the lineup that he was in,
that he wasn't allowed to wear a jacket similar to jackets worn by others in the lineup.

Lineups were completely unfair and no attorney would've allow them.

Well Michael, let's pretend for a moment that the line-ups were unfair.
You with me so far, now consider you were there and saw the guy with a gun, could you be persuaded to pick the wrong guy based on the fact that he had slightly different clothes and a couple of facial injuries?, to be blunt could you send a man to the Electric Chair based on something completely insignificant or would you pick the guy that you actually saw? I actually expect you to be a decent human being and would do the right thing, so would you expect any less of your fellow citizens?

JohnM