Tippit Debate

[Michael Capasse]

Well Michael, let's pretend for a moment that the line-ups were unfair.
You with me so far, now consider you were there and saw the guy with a gun, could you be persuaded to pick the wrong guy based on the fact that he had slightly different clothes and a couple of facial injuries?, to be blunt could you send a man to the Electric Chair based on something completely insignificant or would you pick the guy that you actually saw? I actually expect you to be a decent human being and would do the right thing, so would you expect any less of your fellow citizens?

JohnM

It's not slightly different clothes, not at all. That's the problem. It became a process of who are you not going to pick.
Lee stood out from the others who were in dress slacks, collared shirts, sport coats, and button down sweater.
Lee had a black eye - cuts on his face and forehead, left with a ragged t-shirt and complained profusely about it.

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7689

[John Mytton]

It's not slightly different clothes, not at all. That's the problem. It became a process of who are you not going to pick.
Lee stood out from the others in dress slacks, collared shirts, sport coats, and button down sweater.
Lee had a black eye - cuts on his face and forehead, left with a ragged t-shirt and complained profusely about it.

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7689

So you're saying that if a man was dressed differently and had facial injuries, you'd be compelled to pick him even though he wasn't the man that you saw? Really?

JohnM

[Bill Brown]

It's not slightly different clothes, not at all. That's the problem. It became a process of who are you not going to pick.
Lee stood out from the others in dress slacks, collared shirts, sport coats, and button down sweater.
Lee had a black eye - cuts on his face and forehead, left with a ragged t-shirt and complained profusely about it.

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7689

Again with the falsehoods.  Oswald only wore the "ragged t-shirt" during the lone  S a t u r d a y   lineup.  All of the Friday lineups had him in his brown shirt.

[John Mytton]

Again with the falsehoods.  Oswald only wore the "ragged t-shirt" during the lone  S a t u r d a y   lineup.  All of the Friday lineups had him in his brown shirt.

 



They were all dressed differently so no one stood out, Oswald's big mouth was the only difference.





The Satur.day line-up was viewed by Scoggins and Whaley.

Mr. BELIN. Then what happened, or what did you do?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Well, they was questioning a lot of people and questioning everybody, and they was talking, and so I went back and got on my radio and contacted my supervisor, and they wanted me to come into the office and make a statement, and so I did, the cab company. One of the supervisors got a statement of it, and he asked me did the police, did I give them a statement, and I told him no because, and he said, "Well, why didn't you?"I said, "They didn't ask me. They talked with everybody else."
So the next day they took me down and put me through a lineup, showed me a lineup of four people, and I identified the one that I had seen the day before.

Mr. BALL. And he was talking, was he?
Mr. WHALEY. He showed no respect for the policemen, he told them what he thought about them. They knew what they were doing and they were trying to railroad him and he wanted his lawyer.
Mr. BALL. Did that aid you in the identification of the man?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; it wouldn't have at all, except that I said anybody who wasn't sure could have picked out the right one just for that. It didn't aid me because I knew he was the right one as soon as I saw him.
Mr. BALL. You don't think that that in any way influenced your identification?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; it did not.



JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

Again with the falsehoods.  Oswald only wore the "ragged t-shirt" during the lone  S a t u r d a y   lineup.  All of the Friday lineups had him in his brown shirt.

You might be right. I need to look into that specifically.
Meanwhile, it was the clothing "the man wore" that was one of the many reasons Brennan could not identify the shooter.

Mr. BELIN. All right. Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?

Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color
of the shirt or a little lighter. And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.

Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.

[Michael Capasse]

They were all dressed differently so no one stood out, Oswald's big mouth was the only difference.

The Satur.day line-up was viewed by Scoggins and Whaley.

Mr. BELIN. Then what happened, or what did you do?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Well, they was questioning a lot of people and questioning everybody, and they was talking, and so I went back and got on my radio and contacted my supervisor, and they wanted me to come into the office and make a statement, and so I did, the cab company. One of the supervisors got a statement of it, and he asked me did the police, did I give them a statement, and I told him no because, and he said, "Well, why didn't you?"I said, "They didn't ask me. They talked with everybody else."
So the next day they took me down and put me through a lineup, showed me a lineup of four people, and I identified the one that I had seen the day before.

Mr. BALL. And he was talking, was he?
Mr. WHALEY. He showed no respect for the policemen, he told them what he thought about them. They knew what they were doing and they were trying to railroad him and he wanted his lawyer.
Mr. BALL. Did that aid you in the identification of the man?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; it wouldn't have at all, except that I said anybody who wasn't sure could have picked out the right one just for that. It didn't aid me because I knew he was the right one as soon as I saw him.
Mr. BALL. You don't think that that in any way influenced your identification?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; it did not.

JohnM

They certainly knew who NOT to pick.
https://jfk.boards.net/post/1268/thread

Scoggins failed the photo line up
And told the Commission: "...seemed like I could see his face..."

[John Iacoletti]

Again with the falsehoods.  Oswald only wore the "ragged t-shirt" during the lone  S a t u r d a y   lineup.  All of the Friday lineups had him in his brown shirt.

Let's not pretend he removed the "ragged t-shirt" underneath the arrest shirt for the Friday lineups.

[John Iacoletti]

Well Michael, let's pretend for a moment that the line-ups were unfair.

There's no need to pretend.  They were blatantly unfair.

You with me so far, now consider you were there and saw the guy with a gun, could you be persuaded to pick the wrong guy based on the fact that he had slightly different clothes and a couple of facial injuries?, to be blunt could you send a man to the Electric Chair based on something completely insignificant or would you pick the guy that you actually saw? I actually expect you to be a decent human being and would do the right thing, so would you expect any less of your fellow citizens?

Your error is in assuming that people are consciously aware of being biased and manipulated by such things.