"Cold Case JFK" Zapruder GIF

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Sunlight on the "red" brake light lens.

Slide under the limo with a torch.
U will see a bullet hole in the steel in the top of the driveshaft well, between the jump seats.
U wont see the hole from above koz (after u remoov the carpet) there is new titanium over the floor (installed Dec 1963).
The old carpet with the hole is i reckon somewhere.

[Robin Unger]

 1961 Lincoln Continental Presidential Limousine, Steel Plate Floor Added during "Quick Fix," 1964

After President John F. Kennedy's assassination on November 22, 1963, the Hess & Eisenhardt Company of Cincinnati, Ohio, rebuilt the 1961 Lincoln Continental Presidential Limousine into an armored car.
The floor was reinforced with 1/8-inch thick steel plate to protect against blasts from grenades or mines. Other portions of the car were armored with 3/8-inch thick titanium plate.

[Robin Unger]

 1961 Lincoln Continental Presidential Limousine, Rebuilding Body during "Quick Fix," 1964

After President John F. Kennedy's assassination on November 22, 1963, the Hess & Eisenhardt Company of Cincinnati, Ohio, rebuilt the 1961 Lincoln Continental Presidential Limousine into an armored car.
Titanium armor, bullet-resistant glass and tires, and a permanent roof improved the president's security. The modified car returned to the White House in May 1964 and remained in service until 1977.

[Robin Unger]

[Royell Storing]

Slide under the limo with a torch.
U will see a bullet hole in the steel in the top of the driveshaft well, between the jump seats.
U wont see the hole from above koz (after u remoov the carpet) there is new titanium over the floor (installed Dec 1963).
The old carpet with the hole is i reckon somewhere.

    Take a look at the total space occupied by the Jump Seats + Back Seat Area and then compare that to the Total Space taken up by the Trunk. To the naked eye, the Trunk space and this rear seating space look fairly close to being equal. This raises the question, what specifically are they putting inside the JFK Limo Trunk to warrant this massive trunk space? Bearing in mind there was a loaded AR-15 sitting on the rear floor board of the Queen Mary, means they would probably have fire power of this same level inside the trunk of the JFK Limo. Having come under attack that resulted in the POTUS  being "down" inside the Limo, means the JFK Limo had to of Stopped in order to quickly access the firepower inside the trunk. At this same time they would have regrouped. Where did this stop happen? I believe on the Stemmons Fwy On-Ramp.

[Sean Kneringer]

    This raises the question, what specifically are they putting inside the JFK Limo Trunk to warrant this massive trunk space?

Pieces of the detachable roof.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

    Take a look at the total space occupied by the Jump Seats + Back Seat Area and then compare that to the Total Space taken up by the Trunk. To the naked eye, the Trunk space and this rear seating space look fairly close to being equal. This raises the question, what specifically are they putting inside the JFK Limo Trunk to warrant this massive trunk space? Bearing in mind there was a loaded AR-15 sitting on the rear floor board of the Queen Mary, means they would probably have fire power of this same level inside the trunk of the JFK Limo. Having come under attack that resulted in the POTUS  being "down" inside the Limo, means the JFK Limo had to of Stopped in order to quickly access the firepower inside the trunk. At this same time they would have regrouped. Where did this stop happen? I believe on the Stemmons Fwy On-Ramp.

OK, I’ll try to reconnect with the gentleman, and inquire about what he may have heard from his dad about the limo.

If you have a reference to that picture of a bullet hole through the Presidential limo floorboard, direct me to that, I will print it out and share that, and see what he has to say.

In Olivier’s experiments, maybe not all bullets fragmented for him, but it seems enough may have to influence his conclusions in his WC testimony.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you formulate any other conclusions or opinions based on the tests on firing at the skull?
Dr. OLIVIER. Well, let’s see. We found that this bullet could do exactly - could make the type of wound that the President received. Also, that the recovered fragments were very similar to the ones recovered on the front seat and on the floor of the car. This, to me, indicates that those fragments did come from the bullet that wounded the President in the head.
Mr. SPECTER. And how do the two major fragments in 857 compare, then, with the fragments heretofore identified as 567 and 569?
Dr. OLIVIER. They are quite similar.

Donahue met Olivier, & saw the 10 skulls, & was not impressed (Mortal Error). Its simple, no FMJ will fragment when going through the top part of a skull – zero – not 1 in 100 – not 1 in 1000 – Olivier's story is krapp.

Re the bullet hole photo etc – see my post – 9march2021 – Did Oswald's first shot put a hole in the floor of JFK's limo?
 https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2853.msg108260.html#msg108260


Re Hickey's spray pattern – see my post – 29april2021 – Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2833.32.html


Re Hickey's auto burst  timeline – see my post – 11may2021 – Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2836.24.html
So, here is my chart showing the timeline for  Hickey's 6-shot accidental auto burst.
B06A.36 & B02A.72 happen to fall on a dummy frame placed at a skip, the A denotes a dummy frame.
There were 6 dummy frames, which i called B02A B06A B08A B12A B15A & B15B. And they have been placed before frames B02 B06 B08 B12 & B15.

shot ... zapruder frame ....... Bronson frame
…….... ………… Z319 ………… ………… B09
………. ………… Z318 ………… ………… B08.84
………. ………… Z317 ………… ………… B07.68
………. ………… Z316 ………… ………… B06.52
………. ………… Z315 ………… ………… B06A.36
……... ………… Z314 ………… ………… B05.20
6.000 ………… Z313 ………… ………… B04.04
5.636 ………… Z312 ………… ………… B02.88
5.272 ………… Z311 ………… ………… B02A.72
4.908 ………… Z310 ………… ………… B01.56
4.544 ………… Z309 ………… ………… B00.40
4.180 ………… Z308 ………… ………… B-00.76
3.816 ………… Z307 ………… ………… B-01.92
3.452 ………… Z306 ………… ………… B-03.08
3.088 ………… Z305 ………… ………… B-04.24
2.724 ………… Z304 ………… ………… B-05.40
2.360 ………… Z303 ………… ………… B-06.56
1.996 ………… Z302 ………… ………… B-07.72
1.632 ………… Z301 ………… ………… B-08.88
1.268 ………… Z300 ………… ………… B-10.04
0.904 ………… Z299 ………… ………… B-11.20


Re the Z310 shot denting the chrome trim – after grazing the bottom of the limo divider (roll bar) – see my post 16jan2023 -- Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2833.72.html


Re the chrome trim stopping a slug – see my post 14march2021 -- Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2833.8.html


One problem re the chrome dent is whether the under-half-face of the chrome trim has enuff angle to guide the initial splatter (ie before the dent forms) directly at the rear vision mirror.
I have not seen the damage to the rear vision mirror – but i am taking the word of other members here that there was damage (a small dent i suppose)(the workers at H&E would have known)(was the rear vision mirror replaced)(i have a full list of the work in Dec1963 but am too lazy to check).
The initial splatter might have ricocheted offa the metalwork holding the visor rather than hitting the mirror directly.
In fact we dont have to fixate on the initial angle of the initial splatter -- the main splatter would easily ricochet offa the metalwork holding the visor & then impact the mirror.

[Royell Storing]

Pieces of the detachable roof.

   Yeah, I have seen the framework and the headliner pieces. There is no way those pieces would fill-up that trunk. And the spare tire is not taking up room inside the trunk. I think it is kinda crazy to believe that the only weapons inside the JFK Limo would be the standard service revolvers carried by SA Kellerman and SA Greer. They had to have some heavier firepower inside that Limo Trunk.