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Online Tom Mahon

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2025, 04:15:23 AM »
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Your attempt at defending Holland is admirable but hopeless. Did you notice when they demonstrated how their ejected Hulls came very close to matching the 11/22/63 photos of the hulls on the floor, that "Holland's Hero" had Removed the scope from the rifle? Makes me think we were seeing Take 22. Holland is amusing, but for him to be granted a stage by National Geographic explains why this case remains unsolved after 60+ years. The Cover-Up is ongoing.

This guy has the same short-rifle and scope as Oswald's.

If you'll go to about the 11-minute mark, you can watch him fire, eject the spent shell, and rechamber a new round several times.

If you'll watch closely, you'll see that the ejected shells don't hit the scope.

So much for your "Ongoing Cover Up" theory.


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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2025, 11:52:38 AM »
So did Max Holland.

I have a lot of respect for Max. But he didn’t get the seat box anywhere near the correct position in the video. The correct position of the seat box would have prevented the sniper from shooting in the locations and positions that Max shows in the video.

Again, I suggest you do the research yourself instead of assuming Max got that aspect right.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2025, 05:00:01 PM »
I have a lot of respect for Max. But he didn’t get the seat box anywhere near the correct position in the video. The correct position of the seat box would have prevented the sniper from shooting in the locations and positions that Max shows in the video.


I don't have "The Lost Bullet," just some screenshots from it. I don't see the "sitting box" in those screenshots. What I do see is the "Oswald" actor kneeling in the same general area where Secret Service agent Howlett was sitting and assuming a shooting position (rather uncomfortably with just one bun on the box) during the 27 November 1963 reenactment. That part of the 11/27/63 reenactment looks feasible to me for Oswald's 2nd and 3rd shots, but not for his first, missing-everything, steeply-downward-angled shot for which he had to be standing and awkwardly leaning forward while firing it (and with the muzzle of the short rifle inside the building, which would explain why so many witnesses said the first shot sounded different from the other two).
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2025, 05:23:35 PM »
I don't have "The Lost Bullet," just some screenshots from it. I don't see the "sitting box" in those screenshots. What I do see is the "Oswald" actor kneeling in the same general area where Secret Service agent Howlett was sitting (rather uncomfortably with just one bun on the box) and assuming a shooting position during the 27 November 1963 reenactment. This part of the 11/27/63 Sniper's Nest reenactment looks feasible to me for Oswald's 2nd and 3rd shots, but not for his first, missing-everything, steeply-downward-angled shot for which he had to be standing and awkwardly leaning forward while firing it (and with the muzzle of the short rifle was inside the building which would explain why so many witnesses said the first shot sounded different from the other two).

"The Lost Bullet" can be watched/viewed here: https://ok.ru/video/23384099394

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2025, 06:24:01 PM »
A 2020 scientific study by Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce in the journal titled "Association for Crime Scene Reconstruction" analyzed the conscious reactions of several witnesses (including JFK and JBC) to the sounds of the first shot and determined that it occurred at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133. This means that Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.
Funny how nobody noticed that it took that long.

Even more odd is how most ear-witnesses, who were generally in agreement and correct about the number of shots (3), said that the last two shots were close together ("there were two more in rapid succession"; "two more reports followed in quick succession"; "they were very close together"; "two real fast bullets together"; "The second and third shot was pretty close together"; "it was the first, and then a pause, and then the other two were real close.";"two very close together"; "the next two was right close together"; two more shots fairly close together;"five and one-half seconds was taken for all three shots"; "after the first shot there was a pause, then two more shots were fired close together.”; "The second two shots were immediate --- it was almost as if one were an echo of the other"; "then the third shot came very, very quickly, on top of the second one”.

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« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2025, 06:38:19 PM »
Funny how nobody noticed that it took that long.

Even more odd is how most ear-witnesses, who were generally in agreement and correct about the number of shots (3), said that the last two shots were close together ("there were two more in rapid succession"; "two more reports followed in quick succession"; "they were very close together"; "two real fast bullets together"; "The second and third shot was pretty close together"; "it was the first, and then a pause, and then the other two were real close.";"two very close together"; "the next two was right close together"; two more shots fairly close together;"five and one-half seconds was taken for all three shots"; "after the first shot there was a pause, then two more shots were fired close together.”; "The second two shots were immediate --- it was almost as if one were an echo of the other"; "then the third shot came very, very quickly, on top of the second one”.

It's funny how the human mind will often misremember a traumatic event, and it's funny how the unexpected sounds of three muzzle blasts and three supersonic "cracks" sounded different to people in different locations in the irregularly shaped echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza, especially since the muzzle of the short-rifle that fired them was inside a sixth-floor window for the first steeply-downward-angled shot and outside the window for the second and third, farther-down-the-street, shots.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2025, 07:53:38 PM »
This guy has the same short-rifle and scope as Oswald's.

If you'll go to about the 11-minute mark, you can watch him fire, eject the spent shell, and rechamber a new round several times.

If you'll watch closely, you'll see that the ejected shells don't hit the scope.

So much for your "Ongoing Cover Up" theory.


    Not sure if it is the shooter, the age of the shooter, or the rifle itself, but he did have difficulty working the Bolt. Other than that, with reference to the shell ejection, I would like to see a seated shooter.

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