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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #552 on: February 25, 2025, 07:59:45 PM »
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Why was Jackie's head turned far to her left in the Z-160 Croft photo?
Perhaps she was acknowledging the people on her left at that time.  Maybe she was thinking about lunch and her habit is to look toward the left when thinking about lunch.

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Why did JBC quickly turn his head Right - Left - Right?
Are you asking why he turned in the direction of Mary Woodward and her group after they shouted "Hey Mr. President"?

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Why did Dave Powers in the follow-up car start leaning far to his right around Z-149?
I don't know.  Maybe to look at Mary Woodward?  Why did he say that JFK moved quite far to his left after the first shot? Why could he not see Gov. Connally after the second shot?:
  • "Shortly thereafter the first shot went off and it sounded to me as if it were a firecracker. I noticed then that the President moved quite far to his left after the shot from the extreme right hand side where he had been sitting. There was a second shot and Governor Connally disappeared from sight and then there was a third shot which took off the top of the President’s head and had the sickening sound of a grape fruit splattering against the side of a wall. The total time between the first and third shots was about 5 or 6 seconds. " (7 H 473)
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Why did S.S. Agent Hickey start leaning over around Z-150 (iirc) to look at the pavement?
I see him looking to his left.  Maybe he was concerned about Phil Willis and his wife standing on the road then. After all, Secret Service Agents trained to watch to make sure that people do not get too close to the President. 

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Why was S.S. Agent Ready looking far to his left instead of where he normally looked -- straight ahead or to his right?
He has to have a reason to look to the left?  Why did he say he immediately turned around to his right upon hearing the first shot to look back at where he thought the sound came from?  He begins that turn to the right by releasing his hand from the front hand-hold at z198-199 and then turns right.

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I could go on and on.

Regardless, do you really think CE-399 got as deformed as much as it did (with lead core squeezed out its you-know-what, etc) just by transiting JFK' upper back / lower neck, kinda nicking his transverse process, and ... wowie zowie ... shallowly penetrating JBC's thigh?

It didn't make a shallow penetration of the thigh if it left a lead fragment in the femur.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
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Online Tom Mahon

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #553 on: February 25, 2025, 09:01:44 PM »
"[CE399] didn't make a shallow penetration of [JBC's] thigh if it left a lead fragment in the femur."

FWIW, during his Warren Commission testimony, Dr. George T. Shires, who operated on JBC's thigh, estimated that the lead fragment that an X-ray showed embedded in JBC's femur weighed only about a tenth of a grain, i.e., not nearly enough to account for the 2-3 grains of lead core that, given that CE-399 weighed 160-161 grains before it was fired and only 157.7 grains afterwards, must have been squeezed out of the deformed rear of the bullet and broken off during impact.

But you seem to believe that JBC was hit by two bullets a few seconds apart: 1) CE-399, which, after transiting JFK's neck from behind around Z-193, deeply penetrated JBC's left thigh and somehow became substantially deformed and lost 2 - 3 grains of its lead core when it left a .10-grain lead fragment embedded in his femur, and 2) another bullet that was fired a few seconds after CE-399 and which not only pulverized JBC's fifth rib and smashed his radial bone, but fragmented so completely upon smashing said radial bone that one of the fragments ended up nicking James Tague down by the triple underpass.

Am I correct?



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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #554 on: February 25, 2025, 10:32:46 PM »
Since you don't seem to want to read anything, here is a picture:


The first shot occurred as soon as JFK emerged from under the oak tree branches as he passed between the lamp post and Thornton sign.  The evidence puts it after z186 and before z202. I suggest it occurred very close to z193.  The bullet (CE399) passed through JFK's neck without deflecting.

The second shot at z271-272 struck JBC in the right armpit, exited his chest just below his right nipple, and impacted the right radius causing a comminuted fracture of the radius and causing the bullet to fragment.  A fragment of bullet or bone went through the wrist but most bullet fragments deflected away from the point of impact on the radius, sending fragments up and forward.  One of these fragments struck the windshield, one struck the top of the windshield frame.  Driver Wm. Greer said that he sensed a "concussion" on the second shot. At least one fragment cleared the windshield completely. The latter fragment then dropped to the street level near where James Tague was standing and deflected up off the curb to strike his cheek.  Tague said he was not struck on the first or last shot and there were exactly three shots.

The third shot struck JFK between z312 and z313.

That leaves only one wound unaccounted for:  JBC's thigh wound.  I suggest that the straight line trajectory from the SN through JFK at around z193 passed to the left side of JBC and could account for the thigh wound. The wound characteristics of the thigh wound are consistent with being struck by the butt end of an intact missile like CE399.  Where it went after that and how it got onto a stretcher is not determinable from the evidence.

Dear Andrew,

Given that you seem to think Oswald fired all three shots, did you concoct your (imho) implausible "first shot at Z-193" theory because you can't accept the Single Bullet Hypothesis?

Or is it due to something else, e.g., lack of color (or even black-and-white!) footage of Oswald's "Z-124" missing-everything bullet's striking the asphalt pavement?

Both?

-- Tom
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #555 on: Today at 01:03:06 AM »
@TomM: Andrews proposition of CE399 passing thru the throat of JFK and then into the thigh of JC is an attempt to rationally explain the slight deformation of CE  399.

Not sure it’s a LOL but it certainly is highly questionable if the bullet would have stopped in JCs thigh given that the earlier transit thru JFKs throat would not not slowed it down much from its initial 2000 ft/sec velocity.

The other thing that’s questionable enough to maybe warrant a LOL is the way Andrew has JC oriented in his seat in order for this 193 trajectory to work. :)

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #556 on: Today at 12:21:51 PM »
Dear Andrew,

Given that you seem to think Oswald fired all three shots, did you concoct your (imho) implausible "first shot at Z-193" theory because you can't accept the Single Bullet Hypothesis?

Or is it due to something else, e.g., lack of color (or even black-and-white!) footage of Oswald's "Z-124" missing-everything bullet's striking the asphalt pavement?

Both?

-- Tom
Neither. I am simply following the evidence.

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« Reply #557 on: Today at 05:32:21 PM »
Neither. I am simply following the evidence.

Why doesn't the evidence lead you to accept the Single Bullet Hypothesis?

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