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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2025, 12:18:50 AM »
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The throat wound was an entry wound. This stuff with the Connally Lapel is just 1 more thing mandated from that shot to make the SBT work on paper. That Connally wound was fired from a weapon, "almost on the horizontal" per "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".  Wiegman said in "Unsolved History JFK, Death In Dealey Plaza", that he felt the "compression" of a bullet on his Face. This would be that same shooter, "Almost on the horizontal".


LOL!

How many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important Cover Up?

Hundreds?

Was the bullet wound in JFK's upper back and entrance wound or an exit wound?

If the former, where do you think it ended up?

It melted?

It only went in two or three inches?
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2025, 03:38:29 AM »
LOL!

How many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important Cover Up?

Hundreds?

Was the bullet wound in JFK's upper back and entrance wound or an exit wound?

If the former, where do you think it ended up?

It melted?

It only went in two or three inches?

   How about You telling me where that bullet that allegedly matches the 3rd Hull in the sniper's nest went? And do Not give me that "Lost Bullet"  BS: With Trump now having free reign for 4 yrs and RFK Jr looking under every rock in DC, info is gonna spill. And it's no coincidence that Trump has dodged his own assassination 2 times now. They know what's coming.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2025, 04:03:51 AM »

How about You telling me where that bullet that allegedly matches the 3rd Hull in the sniper's nest went? And do Not give me that "Lost Bullet"  BS: With Trump now having free reign for 4 yrs and RFK Jr looking under every rock in DC, info is gonna spill. And it's no coincidence that Trump has dodged his own assassination 2 times now. They know what's coming.


The only thing "The Lost Bullet" got wrong was assuming that Oswald's first shot hit the traffic signal's mast arm at "Z-107" and that the bullet ricocheted down towards the Tripple Underpass at a strange angle and nicked James Tague.

Based on a 2013 ballistics demonstration in PBS NOVA's "Cold Case JFK" and a 2020 scientific analysis by Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce of the conscious reactions of several witnesses to the sounds of Oswald's first shot, the bullet probably disintegrated when it hit the asphalt street -- not at "Z-107" but a second later at "Z-124."

James Tague could very well have been nicked by a bullet fragment from the Z-313 fatal head shot.

With Worm Brain in in charge of the Department of Health and Human Services, we'll be lucky if we don't all die from Ebola or some-such thing.

Your hero, The Traitorous Orange Turd, will again be our "president" only because 60-plus years of KGB disinformation and "active measures" has brainwashed about half of our population.

Once again:

How many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important Cover Up?

Couple hundred?

Was the bullet hole in JFK's upper back an entrance wound or an exit wound?

If the former, what do you think happened to the bullet?

It was an ice bullet, and it melted?

It was a "dud," and it only went in three or four inches?

It magically changed course and left the limo?

Or do you think it was an implausibly small exit wound?
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« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2025, 01:35:41 PM »
The only thing "The Lost Bullet" got wrong was assuming that Oswald's first shot hit the traffic signal's mast arm at "Z-107" and that the bullet ricocheted down towards the Tripple Underpass at a strange angle and nicked James Tague.

Based on a 2013 ballistics demonstration in PBS NOVA's "Cold Case JFK" and a 2020 scientific analysis by Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce of the conscious reactions of several witnesses to the sounds of Oswald's first shot, the bullet probably disintegrated when it hit the asphalt street -- not at "Z-107" but a second later at "Z-124."

James Tague could very well have been nicked by a bullet fragment from the Z-313 fatal head shot.

With Worm Brain in in charge of the Department of Health and Human Services, we'll be lucky if we don't all die from Ebola or some-such thing.

Your hero, The Traitorous Orange Turd, will again be our "president" only because 60-plus years of KGB disinformation and "active measures" has brainwashed about half of our population.

Once again:

How many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important Cover Up?

Couple hundred?

Was the bullet hole in JFK's upper back an entrance wound or an exit wound?

If the former, what do you think happened to the bullet?

It was an ice bullet, and it melted?

It was a "dud," and it only went in three or four inches?

It magically changed course and left the limo?

Or do you think it was an implausibly small exit wound?

           As for the shortcomings of "The Lost Bullet", you failed to include the moving of the position of the JFK Limo on Elm St. That's a revisionist history "Hail Mary" to even approach your current, "well maybe that coulda happened" thought process with respect to the mystical Lost Bullet Scenario. And here we go again with the "ear witness" stuff. You use it when you need it and then trash it whenever your 1 Shooter issue turns into a, "break glass in case of fire" situation. You can Not have it both ways. And this, "Tague could very well have been nicked by a bullet fragment from the Z313...........", only shows you have nowhere to go with your Lost Bullet  BS: Tague coulda been hit by a fragment of something or other dropped by a bird too. There are all kinds of, "could very well have been" scenarios to throw out there. Looks silly. One thing I will give you credit for is going with the "Upper Back" wound. Finally, we have descended from Gerry Ford"s lower neck mumbo jumbo. You are getting there, you just don't know it..............YET! 
 

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2025, 05:14:13 PM »
We know that JFK and JBC have already been hit by Z-225, the first frame in which we can see JFK's head and upper torso after he has emerged from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. JFK's mouth is open in pain and he's already automatically raising his arm. Although JBC isn't yet reacting conspicuously in Z-225, his jacket lapel had already started to flap outward in Z-223. He didn't react to being shot as quickly as JFK did because, unlike JFK, his spinal column wasn't damaged by the bullet.
It is not clear what the lapel is doing, if anything.  The change in appearance between z223 and z224:


looks like the reverse of the change from z222 to z223:


I can't tell for sure what causes that change from z223 to z224 but it seems to coincide with him beginning lift and turn his right shoulder and right arm slightly to the left before turning right.  It may be that he was leaning on the arm rest and he just lifted it off before turning to his right, which he then does.

I see nothing to show that he had been hit in the back.   On what basis can you claim "We know that JFK and JBC have already been hit by Z-225"?
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2025, 05:27:53 PM »
[H]ere we go again with the "ear witness" stuff.

I said nothing about earwitnesses. If you'd re-read my post and then read Roselle and Scearce's 22-page article, you'd realize that they based their conclusion that the first shot was fired at "Z-124" on their analysis of the conscious (i.e., not "startle") reactions of seven witnesses: Kellerman, Hickey, JBC, Jackie, JFK, Nellie Connally, and Rosemary Willis at Z-148, Z-143.5, Z-150, Z-143.5, Z-143, Z-145, and Z-140, respectively.

Averaging those numbers and then subtracting a little over a second to account for the amount of time an average human takes to consciously react to a loud and unexpected sound gives us hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

https://www.acsr.org/post/estimating-occult-timing-of-surprise-gunshot-sounds-in-silent-film-via-observed-start-of-human-vol

Do try to read more carefully in the future, won't you?

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One thing I will give you credit for is going with the "Upper Back" wound. Finally, we have descended from Gerry Ford's lower neck mumbo jumbo.

"Upper Back" / "Lower Neck" whatever.

The only reason Ford raised the little circle representing the entry wound on the autopsy cover sheet diagram was to make it jibe with Humes' and Boswell's measurements of the wound's location which Boswell had written next to the drawing: 14 centimeters from the right acromion process [and] 14 centimeters below the tip of the right mastoid process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acromion
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2025, 06:55:10 PM »
The only thing "The Lost Bullet" got wrong was assuming that Oswald's first shot hit the traffic signal's mast arm at "Z-107" and that the bullet ricocheted down towards the Tripple Underpass at a strange angle and nicked James Tague.

Based on a 2013 ballistics demonstration in PBS NOVA's "Cold Case JFK" and a 2020 scientific analysis by Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce of the conscious reactions of several witnesses to the sounds of Oswald's first shot, the bullet probably disintegrated when it hit the asphalt street -- not at "Z-107" but a second later at "Z-124."

James Tague could very well have been nicked by a bullet fragment from the Z-313 fatal head shot.

With Worm Brain in in charge of the Department of Health and Human Services, we'll be lucky if we don't all die from Ebola or some-such thing.

Your hero, The Traitorous Orange Turd, will again be our "president" only because 60-plus years of KGB disinformation and "active measures" has brainwashed about half of our population.

Once again:

How many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important Cover Up?

Couple hundred?

Was the bullet hole in JFK's upper back an entrance wound or an exit wound?

If the former, what do you think happened to the bullet?

It was an ice bullet, and it melted?

It was a "dud," and it only went in three or four inches?

It magically changed course and left the limo?

Or do you think it was an implausibly small exit wound?

    BUMP with respect to your claiming "ear witness" evidence to determine when Shot #1 went off. Yeah, you went there.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2025, 07:49:39 PM »
    BUMP with respect to your claiming "ear witness" evidence to determine when Shot #1 went off. Yeah, you went there.

Their conscious -- as opposed to "startle"-- physical reactions, as captured by the Zapruder film.

D'oh
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire the three shots.
« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2025, 07:49:39 PM »