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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2025, 05:36:57 PM »
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   Why would someone in the sniper's nest even attempt to contort their body and fire this alleged shot through a half open window?
Or:  why would Oswald choose to shoot at a target moving across his field of view when:

1. he had already set up the boxes to support a much easier, and likely more accurate, shot with the target moving away from him;

2. he would have had one shot before the car passed under the tree and before it might speed off making additional shots less likely to succeed;

3. he would have to quickly do a change of position from standing and pointing the rifle down to kneeling with the gun pointing horizontally. This would increase the time interval before being able to make additional shots as the car proceeded down Elm and still within range.  It would increase the likelihood of missing on subsequent rushed shots without being able to track the target before shooting.


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If you buy into a shot coming at this point in time, it would be evidence of a 2nd shooter. "Almost on the horizontal" per "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".
Only if the second shot was not where the evidence says it occurred: a perceptible time after the midpoint between the first and third (last) shots.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #113 on: January 08, 2025, 06:33:38 PM »


Thanks.  Any idea where this compares to the location of the limo at the last moment in the Robert Hughes film showing the limo turn onto Elm?  The limo appears to have turned on Elm and disappeared from view just as that fragment ends.  It seems like it would be within a second or two of reaching the point depicted in that photo.  I know the 6th floor window is blurry in that film but I would think Oswald would have to already be in a standing position to fire the shot at that moment.  Making him more clearly visible.  It would take him a moment to aim and fire which means he would have to be in the window doing so before the limo reaches that point.  I can't see him moving into position and being able to fire the shot after the Hughes film ends and 124.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #114 on: January 08, 2025, 07:08:26 PM »
Thanks.  Any idea where this compares to the location of the limo at the last moment in the Robert Hughes film showing the limo turn onto Elm?  The limo appears to have turned on Elm and disappeared from view just as that fragment ends.  It seems like it would be within a second or two of reaching the point depicted in that photo.  I know the 6th floor window is blurry in that film but I would think Oswald would have to already be in a standing position to fire the shot at that moment.  Making him more clearly visible.  It would take him a moment to aim and fire which means he would have to be in the window doing so before the limo reaches that point.  I can't see him moving into position and being able to fire the shot after the Hughes film ends and 124.

Dale Myers produced an excellent synchronization graphic showing how the different films mesh together. I will have to see if I can find that graphic. I don’t remember exactly how long it was between the end of Hughes’ film and the beginning of the Zapruder film. “Z124” would be about a half-second before the assassination segment of the Zapruder film began.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #115 on: January 08, 2025, 08:40:05 PM »
Thanks.  Any idea where this compares to the location of the limo at the last moment in the Robert Hughes film showing the limo turn onto Elm?  The limo appears to have turned on Elm and disappeared from view just as that fragment ends.  It seems like it would be within a second or two of reaching the point depicted in that photo.  I know the 6th floor window is blurry in that film but I would think Oswald would have to already be in a standing position to fire the shot at that moment.  Making him more clearly visible.  It would take him a moment to aim and fire which means he would have to be in the window doing so before the limo reaches that point.  I can't see him moving into position and being able to fire the shot after the Hughes film ends and 124.


According to the Dale Myers synchronization timeline there was 2.7 seconds between the end of that segment of the Hughes film and the beginning of the Zapruder assassination segment (Z133) film. Based on 18.3 frames per second, “Z124” would be about a half-second before Z133. Subtract a half-second from 2.7 seconds and we have about 2.2 seconds between the end of the Hughes film segment and “Z124”.







However I find it very interesting that both Hughes and Dorman stopped filming at very, very close the same time as the “Z124” frame would have been exposed.



Hughes’ stoppage was for only six frames (~1/3 of a second). This is very unusual and I think could be a reaction to an early missed shot. In the Max Holland video, he says that Dorman said she stopped filming after the first shot. Her camera did stop filming for about three seconds (49-frames).

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #116 on: January 08, 2025, 10:27:37 PM »
Probably because he realized that the foliage of the oak tree would soon block his view of the target, and the temptation was just too doggone great.

Factoid: He didn't have to subject himself to tortuous "contortion." All he had to do was lean forward a bit while standing.

    Why would a shooter contort himself when the sniper's nest is already set-up with boxes to permit sitting and firing out the 1/2 open window? This just makes absolutely no sense. It should have been dismissed when Holland made it up to try and explain his "Lost Bullet"  BS:

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #117 on: January 08, 2025, 10:35:07 PM »
Or:  why would Oswald choose to shoot at a target moving across his field of view when:

1. he had already set up the boxes to support a much easier, and likely more accurate, shot with the target moving away from him;

2. he would have had one shot before the car passed under the tree and before it might speed off making additional shots less likely to succeed;

3. he would have to quickly do a change of position from standing and pointing the rifle down to kneeling with the gun pointing horizontally. This would increase the time interval before being able to make additional shots as the car proceeded down Elm and still within range.  It would increase the likelihood of missing on subsequent rushed shots without being able to track the target before shooting.

Only if the second shot was not where the evidence says it occurred: a perceptible time after the midpoint between the first and third (last) shots.
    I don't see any problem with a 2nd shooter "Almost on the horizontal", firing any of the shots. Per, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", that 2nd shooter would be Behind the JFK Limo. A 3rd shooter was allegedly located in front of the JFK Limo.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #118 on: January 08, 2025, 10:52:23 PM »

Why would a shooter contort himself when the sniper's nest is already set-up with boxes to permit sitting and firing out the 1/2 open window?


Because the temptation was too strong for psychologically disturbed Oswald to resist?

Because he felt an overwhelming urge to shoot at JFK before he disappeared behind the foliage of the oak tree?

It beats the heck out of me, Royell, but he did.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #119 on: Today at 01:05:24 PM »
Because the temptation was too strong for psychologically disturbed Oswald to resist?

Because he felt an overwhelming urge to shoot at JFK before he disappeared behind the foliage of the oak tree?

It beats the heck out of me, Royell, but he did.

  Like your alleged very early 1st shot, you too are bending yourself into a pretzel to try and justify the motivation for that shot being fired in the 1st place. Like Maxy, you have no proof. Nothing. Now you're claiming that Oswald was "mentally disturbed". When do we get to the "wife beater" stuff?

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