Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Tom Mahon]

  You guys like quoting Couch. Yet, you Fail to recognize that he felt it was important to include in his WC Testimony that he saw an 8"-10" BLOOD POOL along the Elm St Extension/TSBD. Also, when testifying as to this BLOOD POOL, Couch also testified that people gathered around this same BLOOD POOL were commenting on shots being fired through the SHRUBS. Those same SHRUBS ran along the Elm St Extension directly across the street from the TSBD. We see DPD Officer Joe Marshall Smith running down the Elm St Ext on the Couch Film. Officer Smith gave WC Testimony that he ran down the Elm St Ext immediately after the Kill Shot due to a woman in "hysterics" coming up to him and saying, "they are shooting the president from the BUSHES". Smith then ran down the Elm St Ext checking these Bushes/Shrubs as filmed by Couch. So we have an 8"-10" Blood Pool, along with 2 separate reports of shots being fired through the BUSHES/SHRUBS. All of this being within mere feet of the TSBD.

Cherry cola.

[Royell Storing]

Cherry cola.

   "Cherry cola" per WHO? And do not confuse the location of the "Couch 8"-10" Blood Pool" with whatever was on the ground near the Zapruder Perch. These are Not the same thing, same location, etc.

[Zeon Mason]

10.2 secs? So just ignore the 2/3rds of the witness who heard the shots fired rapidly and the last 2 shots so close that they were described as “back to back”?

ignore Lee Bowers camera interview (recorded by Mark Lane)reenactment of the shots them rapping his hand on the desk in like 3 seconds.

Talk about “ full of beans” LOL

[Tom Mahon]

10.2 secs? So just ignore the 2/3rds of the witness who heard the shots fired rapidly and the last 2 shots so close that they were described as “back to back”?

Oswald's first, steeply-downward-angled, shot at "Z-124" (half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming) was muffled because he was standing (and awkwardly leaning forward) when he fired it and therefore the muzzle of his short-rifle was inside the building.

He knelt down for his second and third shots farther down the street and therefore the muzzle of his short-rifle was outside the building when he fired them.

The timing of those two shots confused earwitnesses because the muzzle blasts from Oswald's short-rifle and the supersonic "cracks" of the bullets echoed around in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

[Royell Storing]

10.2 secs? So just ignore the 2/3rds of the witness who heard the shots fired rapidly and the last 2 shots so close that they were described as “back to back”?

ignore Lee Bowers camera interview (recorded by Mark Lane)reenactment of the shots them rapping his hand on the desk in like 3 seconds.

Talk about “ full of beans” LOL

   This is what we get with Revisionist History: (1) A far longer duration of shots being fired, and (2) Moving the JFK Limo's physical position on Elm St. These guys never stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[Andrew Mason]

if he was actually on Main?

Where in my post are you interpreting anything at all about them being on Main? Read it again please. Couch said the same thing that Jackson said except Couch said they “had just made the turn.” Both said they were looking back at Featherston scrambling for the roll of film.

I thought your position was that the first shot occurred 1/3 second before this first frame of Hughes last clip on Houston:

Where do you think the 3rd camera car is at that point? Since it is not yet in the frame, it must be still on Main St. It might be starting its turn onto Houston, but the entire car is still on Main St.

Do you really believe that they were still looking back at Featherston scrambling for the roll of film when they were half way down the block? Do you really believe that they were still looking back at Featherston scrambling for the roll of film over 3-seconds later (when you believe the first shot occurred?

Jackson said it was "approximately" that time (when they "all looked back at him and were laughing") that they heard the first shot.  He said that they were approximately half a block on Houston Street so I take it from that it was just a moment after the dropped film incident. He is relating the last moment that he recalled before the first shot. If so, then it occurred a moment after the last frame in Hughes' film, which shows the 3rd camera car almost up to the end of the first building on Houston:


According to Dale Myers, that last Hughes frame was exposed at the same time as Zapruder z185.  That fits with my analysis as well (a bit more than 2 seconds after z145).  It is not just Hughes and Jackson saying that this was before the first shot.  Betzner said it was after his z186 photo.  The occupants of the VP car said that they had completed the turn (it is still turning at z181). Phil Willis said it was an instant before his z202 photo. Occupants of the VP security car and witnesses along Elm provide a similar time for the first shot.  I would suggest that the convergence of all the evidence on a post z186 first shot is highly unlikely to be by random chance.

[Andrew Mason]

Why would he be mistaken in thinking he was almost halfway down Houston when the first shot was fired…

Because the human memories are not infallible.

But it is not just him.  It is Betzner, Linda Willis, Occupants of the VP (just completed the turn) and VP Security car (completing the turn - along side TSBD), witnesses along Elm St. (e.g. Billie Clay said she was standing 150 feet west of TSBD entrance:"Just a few seconds after the car in which President John F. Kennedy was riding passed the position where I was standing, I heard a shot." Sue Dickerson "I was standing at the curb on the north side of Elm Street about equal distance between the point where the President was shot and the west end of the Texas School Book Depository building.") Croft (enough time after his z161 photo for him to wind the film and press the shutter again) and Phil Willis (just before his z202 photo).

If you look at the Dale Myers’ timeline, Hughes film ends at frame 680. That frame 680 equates to Z185 (-7.00-seconds before Z133) around the same time that you believe that the first shot happened.

Definitely after, not before.  I suggest z193 as the time of the first shot.  Ready said he turned to his right upon hearing the first shot - he releases his right hand from the front hand-hold between z198 and z199).

Judging by the crosswalk stripes on Houston, camera car 3 has only moved forward less than one car-length (~20-feet?) from where it was when the Hughes film stopped for ~1/3-second (frame 630). It is obviously not “halfway down the block.” Jackson was apparently mistaken.

?? - It is well past the intersection when the last Hughes sequence on Houston ends and it happened after that.  Here is the last Hughes frame. 


Again, we don't see camera car 3 in the first Hughes frame after the 1/3 second break. 

[Charles Collins]

I thought your position was that the first shot occurred 1/3 second before this first frame of Hughes last clip on Houston:

Where do you think the 3rd camera car is at that point? Since it is not yet in the frame, it must be still on Main St. It might be starting its turn onto Houston, but the entire car is still on Main St.Jackson said it was "approximately" that time (when they "all looked back at him and were laughing") that they heard the first shot.  He said that they were approximately half a block on Houston Street so I take it from that it was just a moment after the dropped film incident. He is relating the last moment that he recalled before the first shot. If so, then it occurred a moment after the last frame in Hughes' film, which shows the 3rd camera car almost up to the end of the first building on Houston:


According to Dale Myers, that last Hughes frame was exposed at the same time as Zapruder z185.  That fits with my analysis as well (a bit more than 2 seconds after z145).  It is not just Hughes and Jackson saying that this was before the first shot.  Betzner said it was after his z186 photo.  The occupants of the VP car said that they had completed the turn (it is still turning at z181). Phil Willis said it was an instant before his z202 photo. Occupants of the VP security car and witnesses along Elm provide a similar time for the first shot.  I would suggest that the convergence of all the evidence on a post z186 first shot is highly unlikely to be by random chance.

I thought your position was that the first shot occurred 1/3 second before this first frame of Hughes last clip on Houston:


No, that appears to be H614 according to Dale Myers’ timeline. The six-frame, 1/3 second stoppage in the Hughes film occurs after H630 which clearly shows camera car 3 on Houston Street. The front of camera car 3 is in the crosswalk on Houston Street. The back of camera car 3 is not yet in the frame and would still be relatively close to Featherston on the corner.


Jackson said it was "approximately" that time (when they "all looked back at him and were laughing") that they heard the first shot.

I can believe that they were doing just that in frame H630. They have not quite made it into the frame yet. But when the film resumes in 1/3 second, frame H631, that appears to be what they are doing. By frame H638 we can see that Jackson himself is in the frame and looking back.


If so, then it occurred a moment after the last frame in Hughes' film, which shows the 3rd camera car almost up to the end of the first building on Houston:


The last frame in that sequence, H680, shows the car right behind camera car 3 to be in the crosswalk on Houston. There isn’t much space between that car and camera car 3. Therefore camera car 3 appears to be less than a car length further along Houston Street than the crosswalk on Houston at Main. That is nowhere near halfway down the block. The perspective (angle) from Hughe’s camera gives a false impression when you are looking at the buildings on the other side of the sidewalk. Couch said no one reacted to the first shot and it was not until the second shot that they began to turn away from the film roll retrieval by Featherston. This all fits just fine with the first shot happening close to the 6-frame, 1/3 second stoppage of the Hughes film.