Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #259 on: January 21, 2025, 09:09:57 PM »
As if Holland lengthening the firing time to over 10 seconds and being forced to move the physical position of the JFK Limo on Elm St wasn't enough, now we have the shooter taking 3 different physical positions when firing each of the 3 shots.

Two positions sufficed: standing and awkwardly leaning forward for his first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," and kneeling and resting his left elbow on the top box for his second and third shots.

Offline Brian Roselle

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« Reply #260 on: January 21, 2025, 09:14:32 PM »

Thanks for the link to the video Brian. Nice work. You say you saw what might be some movement that you describe as a blob. Could you discern where specifically in the window you think you saw this?

I went back and looked at the Holland version again since he said it was the highest resolution to date.

I would not be able to say with certainty I saw a person, that's for sure. I think any motion I was looking at would have been just above where the box edge was sticking up (presumably that was the outer box that was fairly bright), where something looked to be near, or just above the window cross bar, slightly above that brighter box rest. There seemed to be some change in light background intensity around there and I don't know if that was motion or if could be some variation in illumination of stacked boxes in the background that varied with the lighting or "pixel noise" that others have talked about, I don't know, but the blob seemed to be more centered and above the box at the ledge, and not right at either edge of the window.  Could having the limo being further around to the left relative to the window case at that time, while turning in the intersection and harder to continuously track at that time cause Oswald to temporarily lean right or move further west behind the rifle rest boxes and position him for better viewing in a standing or crouching position that morphed into a first shot position, I have no idea.

Bottom line is I don't think I can add anything to help you out on this question. Sorry, I wish I could.





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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #261 on: January 21, 2025, 09:20:12 PM »
   As if Holland lengthening the firing time to over 10 seconds, and being forced to move the physical position of the JFK Limo on Elm St wasn't enough, now we have the shooter taking 3 different physical positions when firing each of the 3 shots shots.  BS:

I think its basically just two positions, you may be counting the cameraman's change in position if referring to Hollands video clips. I guess an easier solution would be Josiah Thompson's of having three shooters at three different positions.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #262 on: January 21, 2025, 10:14:12 PM »
I think its basically just two positions, you may be counting the cameraman's change in position if referring to Hollands video clips. I guess an easier solution would be Josiah Thompson's of having three shooters at three different positions.

   Look at that link again. 3 positions. The 3rd shot does Not have the rifle resting on the box.  In fact, the window looks to be open wider on that 3rd shot too. This explains why Slapsy Maxy spaced his 3 shots visual aid. He knew it does Not work. And then there's the No Scope issue. You know something went haywire with the scope attached to the rifle. From start to finish, the Holland Theory is all smoke-n-mirrors.   
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #263 on: January 21, 2025, 10:17:35 PM »
I think its basically just two positions, you may be counting the cameraman's change in position if referring to Hollands video clips. I guess an easier solution would be Josiah Thompson's of having three shooters at three different positions.

  Mmmmm??  You do know that "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" had a 3 shooter scenario? 1 in front, and 2 behind. 1 of the shooters from behind, "almost on the horizontal".

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #264 on: January 21, 2025, 11:07:20 PM »
I went back and looked at the Holland version again since he said it was the highest resolution to date.

I would not be able to say with certainty I saw a person, that's for sure. I think any motion I was looking at would have been just above where the box edge was sticking up (presumably that was the outer box that was fairly bright), where something looked to be near, or just above the window cross bar, slightly above that brighter box rest. There seemed to be some change in light background intensity around there and I don't know if that was motion or if could be some variation in illumination of stacked boxes in the background that varied with the lighting or "pixel noise" that others have talked about, I don't know, but the blob seemed to be more centered and above the box at the ledge, and not right at either edge of the window.  Could having the limo being further around to the left relative to the window case at that time, while turning in the intersection and harder to continuously track at that time cause Oswald to temporarily lean right or move further west behind the rifle rest boxes and position him for better viewing in a standing or crouching position that morphed into a first shot position, I have no idea.

Bottom line is I don't think I can add anything to help you out on this question. Sorry, I wish I could.


Thanks Brian, it seems that you have tried to answer my question as best you can. I appreciate that. As I interpret your description it appears to me to say you think you see some unidentified movement in the area that I have circled in red in the image below (from the Holland video). Is my interpretation essentially correct? Thanks again.




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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #265 on: January 21, 2025, 11:46:18 PM »
Charles, Yes that's about right. I might slide the circle upwards a little more to move the circle up a little bit. Up just a bit from the bright spot on the bottom (which I assumed was the side of a box) and the circle top going up a little more, further above the white bottom of the window catching some more of that semi-light area up there. I guess if someone was standing straight up back there, their head might extend into next upper part of the window, but this adjusted circle area is where I though I saw something that might be considered movement.

Now I am getting the feeling this is some sort of Rorschach test on me. I do not want you coming back saying I am psychologically deranged or the like. You may determine that is the case, buts let not make it public just yet ???.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2025, 11:47:56 PM by Brian Roselle »