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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #304 on: January 24, 2025, 12:30:06 AM »
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So when exactly did Wiegman HEAR the 1st shot? If Weigmans not in the  zone of the sound pressure (shock) wave then maybe he just felt wind which was gusting up to 20mph at times that day.

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« Reply #305 on: January 24, 2025, 01:04:32 AM »
So when exactly did Wiegman HEAR the 1st shot? If Weigmans not in the  zone of the sound pressure (shock) wave then maybe he just felt wind which was gusting up to 20mph at times that day.

Has Wiegman just heard the first shot, the second shot, or the third shot when, still in the car, he starts panning his camera back to the right (with a lot of blur) and everyone is looking intently down Elm except for one of the two guys who's wearing light-colored work clothes and who's looking back towards the TSBD (see 1:04 in the film)?

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #306 on: January 24, 2025, 01:29:02 AM »
Has Wiegman just heard the first shot, the second shot, or the third shot when, still in the car, he starts panning his camera back to the right (with a lot of blur) and everyone is looking intently down Elm except for one of the two guys who's wearing light-colored work clothes and who's looking back towards the TSBD (see 1:04 in the film)?



According to Dale Myers’ film synchronization Wiegman began filming at Z259 which is 2.95 seconds before the shot at Z313.

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« Reply #307 on: January 24, 2025, 01:57:22 AM »
According to Dale Myers’ film synchronization Wiegman began filming at Z259 which is 2.95 seconds before the shot at Z313.

If that's the case, then Wiegman, still in the car, must have started panning back to his right in response to the third shot.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #308 on: January 24, 2025, 02:03:56 AM »
So, does Wiegman start panning back to his right in response to hearing the first shot, the second shot, or the third shot?


I don’t know why he starts panning back to his right. But since he doesn’t even start filming until Z259, I believe that the first two shots had already happened before he even began filming. Does that answer your question?

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #309 on: January 24, 2025, 12:50:43 PM »
If that's the case, then Wiegman, still in the car, must have started panning back to his right in response to the third shot.

    You guys are proving there was a 2nd shooter. If Wiegman is, "panning back to his right in response to the third shot", why is Wiegman NOT panning his camera UPWARD toward the 6TH floor sniper's nest? Wiegman is seated in a convertible, sitting atop the frame of the automobile. Wiegman is seated, "almost on the horizontal". Wiegman is panning his camera, (his Eyes are searching for,) the sound which his Ears hear, "almost on the horizontal". A 2nd shooter from behind was placed, "almost on the horizontal", in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" (1988) BBC. Wiegman's filming/panning is consistent with his hearing that 2nd shooter, "almost on the horizontal".
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #310 on: January 24, 2025, 06:57:01 PM »
    You guys are proving there was a 2nd shooter. If Wiegman is, "panning back to his right in response to the third shot", why is Wiegman NOT panning his camera UPWARD toward the 6TH floor sniper's nest? Wiegman is seated in a convertible, sitting atop the frame of the automobile. Wiegman is seated, "almost on the horizontal". Wiegman is panning his camera, (his Eyes are searching for,) the sound which his Ears hear, "almost on the horizontal". A 2nd shooter from behind was placed, "almost on the horizontal", in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" (1988) BBC. Wiegman's filming/panning is consistent with his hearing that 2nd shooter, "almost on the horizontal".

Wowie zowie.

Do you expect all photographic journalists to react as "correctly" as you supposedly do?

Wasn't there a bunch of people at-or-near street level who theoretically could have fired that shot?

Given just a couple of seconds that Wiegman had to pan back and scan the crowd before jumping out of the car and running down the street after the limo, isn't that the logical subject matter to try to capture on film -- the people in the crowd near the place that the sound seemed to come from?

D'oh

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #311 on: January 24, 2025, 11:43:31 PM »

I don’t know why he starts panning back to his right. But since he doesn’t even start filming until Z259, I believe that the first two shots had already happened before he even began filming.

I would put the beginning of Wiegman a bit later based on the Mark Tyler animation (Motorcade 63).  Here is the first frame of Wiegman:



Mark Tyler's suggests that frame z280-81 corresponds to the position in which cars 11 (Cabell), 12 (Nat. Press) and 13 (Camera car 1) are at or very close to the positions shown at the beginning of Wiegman:




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