Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Andrew Mason]

Plus-or-minus two frames, in which Zapruder frame, be it hypothetical (i.e., before Z-133) or actual (i.e., Z-133-on) do you think the first shot was fired?

I can only tell you what the evidence says. The evidence is that JFK reacted visibly to the first shot by moving left and/or clutching at his upper chest, and/or slumping, and /or assuming a blank look..

According to Phil Willis was an instant before he took his photo which was at z202.  According to Croft it was after his z161 photo. Croft said he has m d enough time to wind his camera and click the shutter again at the moment of the smfirst shot. According to Hugh Betzner it was just after he took his z186 photo. According to the occupants of the VP car I they had just completed the turn onto Elm. It is still turning when last seen at z181. According to Mary Woodward it was just after the President passed by where she was standing (3 feet past the lamppost near the Thornton Freeway sign).

So, if one puts that altogether, and it is all consistent, the first shot was somewhere between z186 and z202.  It may be around z193 based on the change in JFK that appears to begin there.

[Tom Mahon]

I can only tell you what the evidence says. The evidence is that JFK reacted visibly to the first shot by moving left and/or clutching at his upper chest, and/or slumping, and /or assuming a blank look..

According to Phil Willis, [there] was an instant before he took his photo which was at z202.  According to Croft it was after his z161 photo. Croft said he has m d enough time to wind his camera and click the shutter again at the moment of the smfirst shot. According to Hugh Betzner it was just after he took his z186 photo. According to the occupants of the VP car I they had just completed the turn onto Elm. It is still turning when last seen at z181. According to Mary Woodward it was just after the President passed by where she was standing (3 feet past the lamppost near the Thornton Freeway sign).

So, if one puts that altogether, and it is all consistent, the first shot was somewhere between z186 and z202.  It may be around z193 based on the change in JFK that appears to begin there.

In my humble opinion you're full of high-fructose beans.

Question: How many shots do you think were fired altogether, and how many (if any) were fired from the sixth floor Sniper's Nest?

[Charles Collins]

Because that was the only place I could find where he commented on the relative horizontal positions of the two men.

He is not talking about the error in the inboard distance between the two men. He is talking about the angle of rotation of each of the two men in their seats.  This is really inconsequential.   The difference in horizontal position of JBC's right armpit between facing car forward and facing 10 degrees to the right is negligible:  If the armpit wound is 20 cm from the spine (6 HSCA 48) a turn of 10 degrees to the right moves the wound left by 20(1-cos(10))=.3 cm or 3 mm.  A turn of 3 degrees moves it .02 cm or .2 mm.  That cannot be the error in the horizontal placement of JBC relative to JFK.

Myers does not give us the relative vertical or horizontal distances between the neck exit wound on JFK and the right armpit entrance wound on JBC.  We are just supposed to accept his animation as accurate without being able to check it.  If  I have missed it somewhere, please point it out to me.

[Note: Myers cannot be talking about the range of the angle that the two men could occupy relative to Zapruder while still fitting the positions seen in the Zapruder frames from z190 to z223.  If that was the case, the distance would be huge: a 3 degree angle represents 1/120th of the circumference of a circle of radius equal to the distance from JBC to Zapruder at z190. That distance is about 120 feet.  So a 3 degree angle subtends an arc of 2pi(120)/120=6.28 feet!!!]

We are just supposed to accept his animation as accurate without being able to check it.  If  I have missed it somewhere, please point it out to me.


Andrew, Dale Myers gives us detailed descriptions of how he created his animation. It seems to me that the best way to check his work would be to follow in his footsteps and create your own computer model and animation.

[Andrew Mason]

In my humble opinion you're full of high-fructose beans.

All I have done is point out the evidence.

Question: How many shots do you think were fired altogether, and how many (if any) were fired from the sixth floor Sniper's Nest?

Again, I can only refer you to the evidence. Here is the distribution of witness recollections as to the number of shots:


The possibility that the sample mean (3 shots) differs from the actual number is practically zero. This is further corroborated by the physical evidence of shells found (three).

To determine where the shots originated one has to look at all the evidence. When one does that, there is convergence on all shots coming from the same location.

The location is identified by direct observation by witnesses who saw the rifle in the window, by the three witnesses on the fifth floor who heard the shots coming from directly above them, and by the physical evidence found on the sixth floor.

[Andrew Mason]

We are just supposed to accept his animation as accurate without being able to check it.  If  I have missed it somewhere, please point it out to me.


Andrew, Dale Myers gives us detailed descriptions of how he created his animation. It seems to me that the best way to check his work would be to follow in his footsteps and create your own computer model and animation.

I have. And when I put the two men in their seats this is what I get:

[John Iacoletti]

Yet you would have criticized him if he'd had the gosh-darned gall to say "between 1:14 and 1:15."

I certainly would, because there is no evidence for that either.

[John Iacoletti]

Myers does explain in detail how he arrived at the figures

Yes, by making a bunch of unmerited assumptions.

[John Iacoletti]

Itek concluded that Connally was between 4.5 and 7.5 inches inboard of JFK. (6” ± 1.5”).

Itek said 6.4 +/- 2.2 inches.  But that was also based on stereo viewing Z frames 183 and 188.  Nobody posits a shot at that time.

  Myers doesn’t provide a figure and essentially dismisses error. He says that he lined them up based on the zfilm and the implication is that the error was negligible

Myers put them in a position deliberately designed to make the single-bullet fantasy line-up.  (sort of).