Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Lance Payette]

Fred Litwin kindly pointed out to me that respected author and forensic investigator Robert Wagner (I know Pat Speer respects him) believes the first shot passed through JFK and exited the limousine, while a second shot hit JBC. I thus am comforted to know that others of Wagner's stature are, like me (1) not entirely convinced the SBT is correct, yet (2) not convinced the SBT is essential to the LN explanation.

In the mid-1970s, I owned a used Remington 30.06 with a 4X Weaver scope. I'm was a shooting neophyte with bad eyesight, but with that thing and my front porch as a rest, I pretty much never missed a glass jar at 200 yards (we were living on a ranch). I have a hard time believing that if multiple semi-professional hitmen were shooting at JFK, we'd be arguing 60+ years later about shots that missed their mark or anything like that. The actual events in Dealey Plaza look to me a whole lot more like stressed-out Lee with his Carcano (but, of course, the CTers reply - that's how it was supposed to look!).

Just think about the timing - our gunmen have to be careful to shoot in a sequence that isn't entirely implausible for their patsy to have accomplished. Why, then, not wait a solid five or ten seconds between shots? Now our patsy is even more plausible! And they needed Dark Complected Man and Umbrella Goofball to coordinate the operation? Isn't this all just ... nutty? The reality is, with a reasonably competent hitman JFK would've been dead in one shot. Multiple teams of shooters and spotters to trap him in a cross-fire? Absolutely nutty ... isn't it?

[Richard Smith]

There is a simplicity that lies on the far side of complexity.  It goes like this.  Oswald bought a rifle with a specific serial number.  That rifle was used to kill JFK.  No one other than Oswald has ever been connected to that rifle.  These facts are supported by the evidence beyond any reasonable doubt.  Unless that changes - case closed.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Fred Litwin kindly pointed out to me that respected author and forensic investigator Robert Wagner (I know Pat Speer respects him) believes the first shot passed through JFK and exited the limousine, while a second shot hit JBC. I thus am comforted to know that others of Wagner's stature are, like me (1) not entirely convinced the SBT is correct, yet (2) not convinced the SBT is essential to the LN explanation.

In the mid-1970s, I owned a used Remington 30.06 with a 4X Weaver scope. I'm was a shooting neophyte with bad eyesight, but with that thing and my front porch as a rest, I pretty much never missed a glass jar at 200 yards (we were living on a ranch). I have a hard time believing that if multiple semi-professional hitmen were shooting at JFK, we'd be arguing 60+ years later about shots that missed their mark or anything like that. The actual events in Dealey Plaza look to me a whole lot more like stressed-out Lee with his Carcano (but, of course, the CTers reply - that's how it was supposed to look!).

Just think about the timing - our gunmen have to be careful to shoot in a sequence that isn't entirely implausible for their patsy to have accomplished. Why, then, not wait a solid five or ten seconds between shots? Now our patsy is even more plausible! And they needed Dark Complected Man and Umbrella Goofball to coordinate the operation? Isn't this all just ... nutty? The reality is, with a reasonably competent hitman JFK would've been dead in one shot. Multiple teams of shooters and spotters to trap him in a cross-fire? Absolutely nutty ... isn't it?

Mr. Wagner says that in his theory JFK had a two-plus second delay in reacting to a bullet hit - circa 160 - and, more problematic (for me), that the bullet was deflected as it passed through his body, exited through the throat (causing the wound), and then disappeared over the top of the limo windshield. That is, it went completely through JFK. It's why I asked you the same questions; viz., what caused the delay? and what happened to the bullet? Wagner addresses both of these.

I find both answers lacking. E.g., there's no evidence at all in the x-rays that any bullet hit any bone to cause it to deflect upwards; and JFK's sudden raised elbows, fists-bunched reaction at ~223 hardly seems to have been a delayed reaction to a shot hitting him 2-3 seconds earlier. It appears spontaneous. So Wagner argues that JFK is hit at about 160, proceeds to wave and smile to the crowd to his right, then starts to bring his hand down, and then and only then reacts to that earlier shot? Yes, people have said they didn't realize they were shot until seconds, minutes later. But do they react like JFK when they realize it?

It's really an excellent book otherwise.

[Royell Storing]

Fred Litwin kindly pointed out to me that respected author and forensic investigator Robert Wagner (I know Pat Speer respects him) believes the first shot passed through JFK and exited the limousine, while a second shot hit JBC. I thus am comforted to know that others of Wagner's stature are, like me (1) not entirely convinced the SBT is correct, yet (2) not convinced the SBT is essential to the LN explanation.

In the mid-1970s, I owned a used Remington 30.06 with a 4X Weaver scope. I'm was a shooting neophyte with bad eyesight, but with that thing and my front porch as a rest, I pretty much never missed a glass jar at 200 yards (we were living on a ranch). I have a hard time believing that if multiple semi-professional hitmen were shooting at JFK, we'd be arguing 60+ years later about shots that missed their mark or anything like that. The actual events in Dealey Plaza look to me a whole lot more like stressed-out Lee with his Carcano (but, of course, the CTers reply - that's how it was supposed to look!).

Just think about the timing - our gunmen have to be careful to shoot in a sequence that isn't entirely implausible for their patsy to have accomplished. Why, then, not wait a solid five or ten seconds between shots? Now our patsy is even more plausible! And they needed Dark Complected Man and Umbrella Goofball to coordinate the operation? Isn't this all just ... nutty? The reality is, with a reasonably competent hitman JFK would've been dead in one shot. Multiple teams of shooters and spotters to trap him in a cross-fire? Absolutely nutty ... isn't it?

        The 1 Shooter scenario is so ridiculous that with or without the SBT the story still requires: (1) A MISSED shot, and (2) A LOST Bullet. In addition to that, they currently have extended the 3 Shot elapsed time from 6+ Seconds to 10.2 seconds, to a current 12+ seconds. And now they have moved the physical position of the JFK Limo on Elm St. This 1 Shooter Scenario continues to be an ever evolving fairy tale.

[Royell Storing]

There is a simplicity that lies on the far side of complexity.  It goes like this.  Oswald bought a rifle with a specific serial number.  That rifle was used to kill JFK.  No one other than Oswald has ever been connected to that rifle.  These facts are supported by the evidence beyond any reasonable doubt.  Unless that changes - case closed.

   That rifle at some point in time was wrapped in a blanket and stored inside Ruth Paine's Garage. This connects Ruth Paine to the rifle whether she knew it or not.

[Richard Smith]

   That rifle at some point in time was wrapped in a blanket and stored inside Ruth Paine's Garage. This connects Ruth Paine to the rifle whether she knew it or not.

No, it doesn't.  At least not in any meaningful way that is relevant to the assassination.  Paine testified that she didn't know the rifle was there much less do anything with it.  There is zero evidence that Ruth Paine ever touched the rifle.  She was surprised when the police showed up and Marina indicated it was in the garage.  She certainly did not assassinate JFK. 

[Richard Smith]

I can't being to understand how someone thinks that if person (A) is staying at the home of person (B) and person (A) secretly has something that that connects (B) to it. How does one make this connection? If person (B) knows and allow it, yes. But they don't. What's the connection?

Anyway, we've gone over this ground before. If Paine wanted to implicate Oswald in the assassination - if she was controlled by the CIA - she would have said she saw the rifle, she saw Oswald with it, she saw him leaving that day with a package (he told her he was selling it), that he expressed hatred of JFK. And on and on. It doesn't take much of an imagination to come up with damning statements from here about Oswald. He's dead. She can say anything.

But she never did any of this. In fact, her testimony in some ways supports Oswald's innocence and doesn't undermine, e.g., his views on JFK.

Yes, completely agree.  If Paine was an important part of any plot to frame Oswald for the assassination (and what a laughable premise) by controlling the rifle, then she could easily have furthered the frame up by making the type of statements you cited.  That would have gone a long way toward removing any doubt of Oswald's guilt. 

[Andrew Mason]

        The 1 Shooter scenario is so ridiculous that with or without the SBT the story still requires: (1) A MISSED shot, and (2) A LOST Bullet. In addition to that, they currently have extended the 3 Shot elapsed time from 6+ Seconds to 10.2 seconds, to a current 12+ seconds. And now they have moved the physical position of the JFK Limo on Elm St. This 1 Shooter Scenario continues to be an ever evolving fairy tale.

How can a missed shot be required if JBC was hit in the back by a different bullet than the one through JFK's neck?  We know that JBC and JFK were already hit before z313 so if there was only one other shot that struck, it must have made all the wounds other than the JFK head wound.

Here is how three shots three hits works:

1. The first hit JFK passing through his neck and continued going straight thereafter. 
2.  The second struck JBC in the back.
3.  The third struck JFK in the head