Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Andrew Mason]

How many bad guys do YOU figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important COVER UP?

Oodles and gobs?

You responded to my post in which I said there is less than zero evidence for an early missed shot and for a second shot SBT. Maybe you should have read it before responding.  Here is the last paragraph:

“ I would also say that there is less than zero evidence for the second shot SBT for the same reasons.  However, where we seem to disagree is whether there was more than one shooter.  I suggest that the evidence does not exclude all three shots, three hits and a single shooter: Oswald.  In fact, I suggest that the evidence as a whole compels such a conclusion.”

[Tom Mahon]

You responded to my post in which I said there is less than zero evidence for an early missed shot and for a second shot SBT. Maybe you should have read it before responding.  Here is the last paragraph:

“ I would also say that there is less than zero evidence for the second shot SBT for the same reasons.  However, where we seem to disagree is whether there was more than one shooter.  I suggest that the evidence does not exclude all three shots, three hits and a single shooter: Oswald.  In fact, I suggest that the evidence as a whole compels such a conclusion.”

1) Do you think Oswald was the only shooter?

2) If so, do you think Oswald fired three shots?

3) If so, do you think JFK and JBC were hit by different bullets?

4) If so, in which Zapruder frame (approximately) was JFK hit, and in which frame (approximately) was JBC hit?

5) Thanks.

[Andrew Mason]

1) Do you think Oswald was the only shooter?

2) If so, do you think Oswald fired three shots?

3) If so, do you think JFK and JBC were hit by different bullets?

4) If so, in which Zapruder frame (approximately) was JFK hit, and in which frame (approximately) was JBC hit?

5) Thanks.

Unfortunately the board does not allow one to use crayon.

I said the conclusion that “three shots, three hits and a single shooter: Oswald.” is the conclusion that is not merely permitted from the evidence but is compelled by the evidence.

That should answer all your questions.

[Tom Mahon]

Unfortunately the board does not allow one to use crayon.

I said the conclusion that “three shots, three hits and a single shooter: Oswald.” is the conclusion that is not merely permitted from the evidence but is compelled by the evidence.

That should answer all your questions.

Are you afraid to tell us in which Zapruder frame shot number one hit (and whom it hit), shot number two hit (and whom it hit), and shot number three hit (and whom it hit)?

[Andrew Mason]

Are you afraid to tell us in which Zapruder frame shot number one hit (and whom it hit), shot number two hit (and whom it hit), and shot number three hit (and whom it hit)?

Since you don't seem to want to read anything, here is a picture:


The first shot occurred as soon as JFK emerged from under the oak tree branches as he passed between the lamp post and Thornton sign.  The evidence puts it after z186 and before z202. I suggest it occurred very close to z193.  The bullet (CE399) passed through JFK's neck without deflecting.

The second shot at z271-272 struck JBC in the right armpit, exited his chest just below his right nipple, and impacted the right radius causing a comminuted fracture of the radius and causing the bullet to fragment.  A fragment of bullet or bone went through the wrist but most bullet fragments deflected away from the point of impact on the radius, sending fragments up and forward.  One of these fragments struck the windshield, one struck the top of the windshield frame.  Driver Wm. Greer said that he sensed a "concussion" on the second shot. At least one fragment cleared the windshield completely. The latter fragment then dropped to the street level near where James Tague was standing and deflected up off the curb to strike his cheek.  Tague said he was not struck on the first or last shot and there were exactly three shots.

The third shot struck JFK between z312 and z313.

That leaves only one wound unaccounted for:  JBC's thigh wound.  I suggest that the straight line trajectory from the SN through JFK at around z193 passed to the left side of JBC and could account for the thigh wound. The wound characteristics of the thigh wound are consistent with being struck by the butt end of an intact missile like CE399.  Where it went after that and how it got onto a stretcher is not determinable from the evidence.

[Tom Mahon]

Since you don't seem to want to read anything, here is a picture:


The first shot occurred as soon as JFK emerged from under the oak tree branches as he passed between the lamp post and Thornton sign.  The evidence puts it after z186 and before z202. I suggest it occurred very close to z193.  The bullet (CE399) passed through JFK's neck without deflecting.

The second shot at z271-272 struck JBC in the right armpit, exited his chest just below his right nipple, and impacted the right radius causing a comminuted fracture of the radius and causing the bullet to fragment.  A fragment of bullet or bone went through the wrist but most bullet fragments deflected away from the point of impact on the radius, sending fragments up and forward.  One of these fragments struck the windshield, one struck the top of the windshield frame.  Driver Wm. Greer said that he sensed a "concussion" on the second shot. At least one fragment cleared the windshield completely. The latter fragment then dropped to the street level near where James Tague was standing and deflected up off the curb to strike his cheek.  Tague said he was not struck on the first or last shot and there were exactly three shots.

The third shot struck JFK between z312 and z313.

That leaves only one wound unaccounted for:  JBC's thigh wound.  I suggest that the straight line trajectory from the SN through JFK at around z193 passed to the left side of JBC and could account for the thigh wound. The wound characteristics of the thigh wound are consistent with being struck by the butt end of an intact missile like CE399.  Where it went after that and how it got onto a stretcher is not determinable from the evidence.

Why, between Z-133 and your beloved Z-193, did so many witnesses consciously react to the sounds and sights of a shot?

How did CE399 get so deformed if the only person it wounded was JFK, and only kinda nicked his transverse process, at that?

[Andrew Mason]

Why, between Z-133 and your beloved Z-193, did so many witnesses consciously react to the sounds and sights of a shot?

Who are these witnesses?  JFK, Jackie and JBC turned to the right but that was in response to Mary Woodward and her group waving and shouting to get their attention.

How did CE399 get so deformed if the only person it wounded was JFK, and only kinda nicked his transverse process, at that?

Read what I wrote.  It kept going.  I suggest it caused JBC’s thigh wound.  An intact missile appeared to have struck JBC ‘s thigh butt-first. Dr. Gregory and Dr. Shires identified a metal fragment embedded in the femur. That could explain the dent in the butt end of CE399.

[Tom Mahon]

Who are these witnesses?  JFK, Jackie and JBC turned to the right but that was in response to Mary Woodward and her group waving and shouting to get their attention.
Read what I wrote.  It kept going.  I suggest it caused JBC’s thigh wound.  An intact missile appeared to have struck JBC ‘s thigh butt-first. Dr. Gregory and Dr. Shires identified a metal fragment embedded in the femur. That could explain the dent in the butt end of CE399.

Why was Jackie's head turned far to her left in the Z-160 Croft photo?

Why did JBC quickly turn his head Right - Left - Right?

Why did Dave Powers in the follow-up car start leaning far to his right around Z-149?

Why did S.S. Agent Hickey start leaning over around Z-150 (iirc) to look at the pavement?

Why was S.S. Agent Ready looking far to his left instead of where he normally looked -- straight ahead or to his right?

I could go on and on.

Regardless, do you really think CE-399 got as deformed as much as it did (with lead core squeezed out its you-know-what, etc) just by transiting JFK' upper back / lower neck, kinda nicking his transverse process, and ... wowie zowie ... shallowly penetrating JBC's thigh?

Gasp ... Was it squeezed too hard by Secret Service Very Special Agent Landis when he picked it up from "the top of the rear seat" and transported it unnoticed "to JFK's gurney" or some-such thing inside The Room?

LOL!