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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #592 on: March 01, 2025, 02:09:31 AM »
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Mr. SPECTER - What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY - It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central portion. Whereas, the wound of exit was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.


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Yeah John, there's no need to repeat Gregory's testimony because that's not what's being discussed.
You were saying that the picture you posted of the hole in the back of Connally's shirt showed a hole that appeared to you to be roughly 3/4 of an inch "measured from each extremity".
But the hole in Connally's shirt is nowhere near 3/4 of an inch.
How you can't just hold your hands up and say you made a silly mistake is incredible.
Once again, you're making such a fool of yourself.




The hole is a shade over 3/8 of an inch one way and a shade under 3/8 of an inch the other.
Neither measurement is anywhere near 3/4 of an inch. How you could suggest that is really insane.
That you can't just admit to your mistake is disturbing.

This hole demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt that the bullet was NOT "tumbling" as it entered JBC's back.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #593 on: March 01, 2025, 02:13:08 AM »
That kind of bullet fired from that kind of Carcano tends to start yawing (i.e., "tumbling") upon exiting something soft (e.g., a block of ballistics gel or a human neck), as shown by Luke and Mike Haag in the evil, evil, evil PBS NOVA special, "Cold Case JFK."

Perhaps you missed it.

Yeah buddy, and perhaps you're missing all the evidence against a tumbling bullet that's being put right in your face at the moment.
Explain how a yawing bullet created such a small hole in the back of JBC's shirt (or don't bother)
Thanks again for providing the testimony showing when the tumbling nonsense was created.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #594 on: March 01, 2025, 02:43:48 AM »
What John Mytton showed is that the size of the hole in the fabric is not an indication of the size of the bullet (see the high-speed photos of the bullet penetrating the fabric). The fabric stretches as the bullet passes through it. Then the fabric rebounds and the actual hole is smaller than the bullet. Human skin behaves similarly. So does paper to some extent. Here’s a photo of a paper target that I personally shot with (5) 25-caliber pellets through the same hole from a distance of ten meters. I personally measured the actual hole in the paper target with my digital calipers. It measures slightly less than 1/4 of an inch. The margins of the paper around the actual hole are slightly deformed but have rebounded such that the actual hole is smaller. The threads comprising the fabric of the shirt can and do stretch and rebound without leaving deformations that are as obvious (unless you know what you are looking at) as the deformations in the margins of the hole in the paper.



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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #595 on: March 01, 2025, 02:50:00 AM »
Yeah buddy, and perhaps you're missing all the evidence against a tumbling bullet that's being put right in your face at the moment.
Explain how a yawing bullet created such a small hole in the back of JBC's shirt (or don't bother)
Thanks again for providing the testimony showing when the tumbling nonsense was created.

So, you do admit that that kind of bullet fired from that kind of Carcano was shown in the PBS NOVA special "Cold Case JFK" to have a tendency to start "yawing" (i.e., "tumbling") upon exiting something soft -- like a block of ballistics gel or a human neck.

Good!

You're making progress!

Because earlier on this "thread" you were denying it.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2025, 05:11:26 AM by Tom Graves »

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #596 on: March 01, 2025, 03:45:27 AM »
What John Mytton showed is that the size of the hole in the fabric is not an indication of the size of the bullet (see the high-speed photos of the bullet penetrating the fabric). The fabric stretches as the bullet passes through it. Then the fabric rebounds and the actual hole is smaller than the bullet. Human skin behaves similarly. So does paper to some extent. Here’s a photo of a paper target that I personally shot with (5) 25-caliber pellets through the same hole from a distance of ten meters. I personally measured the actual hole in the paper target with my digital calipers. It measures slightly less than 1/4 of an inch. The margins of the paper around the actual hole are slightly deformed but have rebounded such that the actual hole is smaller. The threads comprising the fabric of the shirt can and do stretch and rebound without leaving deformations that are as obvious (unless you know what you are looking at) as the deformations in the margins of the hole in the paper.



Thanks Charles, it doesn't matter how much evidence to the contrary is presented, some people who only see conspiracy are not willing to do the research that contradicts their ideas, or in some cases even when that evidence from a neutral scientific source is shown, they simply double down with their insanity and start with the insults.

As I mentioned in my post I researched what happens to fabric when acted upon with a bullet because at face value something didn't add up, for a start the hole appears to be square and the dimensions of the hole exceed the size of a 6.5 mm Carcano bullet and on either side of the hole, the fabric was excessively ragged.

Then as they say in the classics, corroborated evidence is some of the best evidence, so I went back to Dr. Gregory's testimony where he says that the bullet entrance was linear and perhaps 3/4 of an inch long and looking closely at the higher quality image of Connally's shirt it became immediately apparent that the shredding started at a point which corresponds with the approximate size of the actual wound, now we are getting somewhere.
So next I investigated the properties of fabric after a bullet passed through and as I posted, in every example the hole was far less than the diameter of the bullet and in each case we see the familiar shredding as seen on Connally shirt. Ergo the bullet struck Connally's shirt while the bullet was yawing.









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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #597 on: March 01, 2025, 10:52:41 AM »
So, you do admit that that kind of bullet fired from that kind of Carcano was shown in the PBS NOVA special "Cold Case JFK" to have a tendency to start "yawing" (i.e., "tumbling") upon exiting something soft -- like a block of ballistics gel or a human neck.

Good!

You're making progress!

Because earlier on this "thread" you were denying it.

 :D
Nutters in full flow.
As I've explained elsewhere, there is zero difference between the Nutter and Tinfoil mentalities.
You were asked to explain how a yawing bullet could've created such a small hole in the back of Connally's shirt.
You can't do that so you're talking sh!t.
As all extreme mentalities do, you have painted yourself into a corner, just as John has done, and because you can't be honest with the evidence, because you can't be honest with yourself, you are left with no option other than to post nonsensical Replys like the one above.
And, like all extreme mentalities, you forget that the forum is a written record. You forget that your nonsense is now on the record for all to see.

As I've demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt (the key word being "reasonable") there was no yawing, tumbling or twirling bullet.

CE399 had nothing to do with the actual shooting.
This was why the first four men in the so-called "chain of custody" - Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen, Howley - all refused to identify it as the bullet they handled that day.
Wright categorically denied CE399 was the bullet he saw that day to Josiah Thompson and others.
It's why not a single one of these men was asked to identify the bullet before the Warren Commission.
It flies under the Nutter radar that not a single person verified CE399 as the bullet that was found at Parkland before it was entered into evidence as the bullet found at Parkland hospital.

All of this is perfectly acceptable to the Nutter mentality.

As Tom has shown, the idea of a tumbling bullet was introduced to maintain the lie that CE399 was involved in the shooting.
The physical evidence available refutes this theory.
A tumbling bullet could not have made such a small hole in the back of JBC's shirt or the front of his jacket.
The mental gymnastics being employed by the various Nutters on this thread is a result of this hard evidence.

The bullet in question shattered on contact with JBC's wrist bone, one of the largest and most dense bones in the human body.
As Tom has already explained, if a bullet can fragment striking "near" the EOP, then it can fragment on the wrist bone.
A small piece  blew threw JBC's wrist and exited through the small slit-like wound on the palm side of his wrist.
The larger fragment entered his leg.
This is why fragments of metal are found spread throughout the wrist wound and not just in one, concentrated area.
It's why the x-ray of the wrist wound shows no trace of a bullet passing through the bone.

The larger fragment fell from JBC as he was being moved from his stretcher to the examining table at Parkland. It was retrieved by a nurse who eventually gave it to Texas Highway Patrolman Nolan.

No evidence exists that CE399 was the bullet found at Parkland.
No evidence exists that the bullet which passed through JFK and JBC tumbled.

All of this is perfectly acceptable to the Nutter mentality.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2025, 10:54:13 AM by Dan O'meara »

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #598 on: March 01, 2025, 10:59:27 AM »
What John Mytton showed is that the size of the hole in the fabric is not an indication of the size of the bullet (see the high-speed photos of the bullet penetrating the fabric). The fabric stretches as the bullet passes through it. Then the fabric rebounds and the actual hole is smaller than the bullet. Human skin behaves similarly. So does paper to some extent. Here’s a photo of a paper target that I personally shot with (5) 25-caliber pellets through the same hole from a distance of ten meters. I personally measured the actual hole in the paper target with my digital calipers. It measures slightly less than 1/4 of an inch. The margins of the paper around the actual hole are slightly deformed but have rebounded such that the actual hole is smaller. The threads comprising the fabric of the shirt can and do stretch and rebound without leaving deformations that are as obvious (unless you know what you are looking at) as the deformations in the margins of the hole in the paper.



Let's see how you handle this Charles.
John said this - "...it seems to me that the ragged edges on Connally's shirt hole(measured from each extremity to be roughly 3/4 of an inch)..."


Do you agree that this shows a hole "roughly 3/4 of an inch?

What are you gonna do Charles?
How are you going to answer this question?
« Last Edit: March 01, 2025, 11:02:38 AM by Dan O'meara »

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #599 on: March 01, 2025, 12:16:45 PM »
:D
Nutters in full flow.
As I've explained elsewhere, there is zero difference between the Nutter and Tinfoil mentalities.
You were asked to explain how a yawing bullet could've created such a small hole in the back of Connally's shirt.
You can't do that so you're talking sh!t.
As all extreme mentalities do, you have painted yourself into a corner, just as John has done, and because you can't be honest with the evidence, because you can't be honest with yourself, you are left with no option other than to post nonsensical Replys like the one above.
And, like all extreme mentalities, you forget that the forum is a written record. You forget that your nonsense is now on the record for all to see.

As I've demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt (the key word being "reasonable") there was no yawing, tumbling or twirling bullet.

CE399 had nothing to do with the actual shooting.
This was why the first four men in the so-called "chain of custody" - Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen, Howley - all refused to identify it as the bullet they handled that day.
Wright categorically denied CE399 was the bullet he saw that day to Josiah Thompson and others.
It's why not a single one of these men was asked to identify the bullet before the Warren Commission.
It flies under the Nutter radar that not a single person verified CE399 as the bullet that was found at Parkland before it was entered into evidence as the bullet found at Parkland hospital.

All of this is perfectly acceptable to the Nutter mentality.

As Tom has shown, the idea of a tumbling bullet was introduced to maintain the lie that CE399 was involved in the shooting.
The physical evidence available refutes this theory.
A tumbling bullet could not have made such a small hole in the back of JBC's shirt or the front of his jacket.
The mental gymnastics being employed by the various Nutters on this thread is a result of this hard evidence.

The bullet in question shattered on contact with JBC's wrist bone, one of the largest and most dense bones in the human body.
As Tom has already explained, if a bullet can fragment striking "near" the EOP, then it can fragment on the wrist bone.
A small piece  blew threw JBC's wrist and exited through the small slit-like wound on the palm side of his wrist.
The larger fragment entered his leg.
This is why fragments of metal are found spread throughout the wrist wound and not just in one, concentrated area.
It's why the x-ray of the wrist wound shows no trace of a bullet passing through the bone.

The larger fragment fell from JBC as he was being moved from his stretcher to the examining table at Parkland. It was retrieved by a nurse who eventually gave it to Texas Highway Patrolman Nolan.

No evidence exists that CE399 was the bullet found at Parkland.
No evidence exists that the bullet which passed through JFK and JBC tumbled.

All of this is perfectly acceptable to the Nutter mentality.

Dear Dan,

You sound desperate.

Take a few deep breaths.

In through the nose  . . . . . . Out through the mouth . . . . . . .

-- Tom

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #599 on: March 01, 2025, 12:16:45 PM »