Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Dan O'meara]

Why did the conspirators chose Oswald to be their patsy?

Because he was a self-described Marxist who had defected to the USSR and had recently been to the Soviet and Cuban consulates in Mexico City?

If so, when did they start patsy-ing him?

Oswald was the perfect patsy.
A marine who defected to Russia living in Dallas in the '60's?
A full blown Commie working in the building the shots were fired from?
There could not have been a more perfect patsy.
The moment he was arrested in the TT it seems like everyone in the DPD knew he'd killed Tippit and the President.
There was something about Oswald that was extremely 'hateable'.

When did they start "patsy-ing" him?
It might be that he was just the right man in the right place at the right time.
That said, I've always been struck by this picture:



It shows Oswald handing out leaflets in New Orleans.
In the background is a man who looks identical to Bill Shelley - same body-type, same dress sense, same hair and same face.
This pic is a still taken from a short piece of film footage. The footage gives the distinct impression that Oswald is part of a larger group of people who are all stood around talking business while Oswald does the donkey work.
In the scenario I'm proposing ex-CIA man (if you can be "ex" with the CIA) Bill Shelley is the main man on the ground in Dealey Plaza. It is a very uncomplicated plot - fire a rifle at the passing limo. It requires a patsy who has been fooled into handing over his rifle and a shooter (who could make a good Patsy #2 if Patsy#1 doesn't work out).

[Tom Graves]

Oswald was the perfect patsy.
A marine who defected to Russia living in Dallas in the '60's?
A full blown Commie working in the building the shots were fired from?
There could not have been a more perfect patsy.
The moment he was arrested in the TT it seems like everyone in the DPD knew he'd killed Tippit and the President.
There was something about Oswald that was extremely 'hateable'.

When did they start "patsy-ing" him?
It might be that he was just the right man in the right place at the right time.
That said, I've always been struck by this picture:



It shows Oswald handing out leaflets in New Orleans.
In the background is a man who looks identical to Bill Shelley - same body-type, same dress sense, same hair and same face.
This pic is a still taken from a short piece of film footage. The footage gives the distinct impression that Oswald is part of a larger group of people who are all stood around talking business while Oswald does the donkey work.

In the scenario I'm proposing ex-CIA man (if you can be "ex" with the CIA) Bill Shelley is the main man on the ground in Dealey Plaza. It is a very uncomplicated plot - fire a rifle at the passing limo. It requires a patsy who has been fooled into handing over his rifle and a shooter (who could make a good Patsy #2 if Patsy#1 doesn't work out).

Now we're getting somewhere.

The image of Oswald's handing out FPCC fliers in New Orleans is from Friday, August 16, 1963, two months before he started working at the TSBD and three months before the motorcade route in Dallas was announced.   

Regardless, one wonders if Shelley (back in the day I believed that the person you're referring to was Gordon Novel!!!) wasn't at work that day?

If the TSBD employee-attendance records (if they still exist) said that he was, would you insist that they were fake?

[Dan O'meara]

Now we're getting somewhere.

The image of Oswald's handing out FPCC fliers in New Orleans is from Friday, August 16, 1963, two months before he started working at the TSBD, and three months before the motorcade route in Dallas was announced.   

Regardless, one wonders if Shelley (back in the day I believed that the person you're referring to was Gordon Novel!!!) wasn't at work that day?

If the TSBD employee-attendance records (if they still exist) said that he was, would you insist that they were fake?

Gordon Novel?



I'm not insisting that anything is fake.
I'm saying that the man in the pic I posted looks identical to Bill Shelley, not similar...identical.
Let's say there's film footage of Bill Shelley outside the TSBD building on August 16th '63, it doesn't change the fact that the guy looks identical to Bill Shelley.
Just because he looks identical to Shelley doesn't mean that it is him. It's just very suggestive. Shelley and Oswald in the same pic 3 months before the assassination.
If it is Shelley, why would an ex-CIA type be hanging around with a bunch of pro-Castro types?

[Tom Graves]

If it is Shelley, why would an ex-CIA type be hanging around with a bunch of pro-Castro types?

Whether or not that's Shelley in the photo, what evidence do you have that he was "an ex-CIA type"?

The Glaze Letters?

[Dan O'meara]

Whether or not that's Shelley in the photo, what evidence do you have that he was "an ex-CIA type"?

The Glaze Letters?

Answering your own questions?
Where's the fun in that?

[Tom Graves]

Answering your own questions?

Where's the fun in that?

Is that your trollish way of admitting that it is?

If so, anything else?

[Dan O'meara]

Is that your trollish way of admitting that it is?

If so, anything else?

No offence Tom but I see you've really homed in on the CIA reference which was just a throwaway comment.
I also notice you really have a CIA/KGB thing going on which I'm not really into.

The guy in the picture looks identical to Bill Shelley. The Glaze letters have zero bearing on that.
Or the fact that Shelley was involved in some incredibly suspicious goings-on in the aftermath of the assassination.
Or that Oswald named Shelley as part of his alibi, clearly expecting Shelley to back him up.

[Tom Graves]

No offence Tom but I see you've really homed in on the CIA reference which was just a throwaway comment.
I also notice you really have a CIA/KGB thing going on which I'm not really into.

The guy in the picture looks identical to Bill Shelley. The Glaze letters have zero bearing on that.
Or the fact that Shelley was involved in some incredibly suspicious goings-on in the aftermath of the assassination.
Or that Oswald named Shelley as part of his alibi, clearly expecting Shelley to back him up.

It's interesting that you're trying to gaslight your way out of having previously stated Shelley was "an ex-CIA type."

Do you believe Shelley was a CIA (former or . . . gasp . . . current) agent, or not, O'meara?

If so, upon what do you base your belief?

(Do you find that you encounter a lot of "CIA types" in day-to-day life and on the Internet?)

Sorry to put you "on the spot," Old Chap, but you did ask for it.

Now put up or shut up as we say here in The States.