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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2025, 10:40:00 PM »
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God forbid you actually read his testimony.

Not much, was there? I know Ball did not ask. "...if a police officer had asked, had  he seen the guy at all."

... so there's that.
It certainly doesn't put anything to rest.
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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2025, 11:34:43 PM »
During the brief search of the theater by the police before the scuffle and the arrest, one of the police officers directly asked Burroughs if he had seen the guy at all.

This is blatantly false.

Mr. BALL. Later on the police came in your place?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. They asked you if you had seen a man come in there without a ticket?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. BURROUGHS. I said, "I haven't seen him myself. He might have, but I didn't see him when he came in. He must have sneaked in and run on upstairs before I saw him."

They didn't ask him if he had seen the guy at all, they asked him if he had seen a man come in there without a ticket.

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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2025, 03:20:55 AM »
This is blatantly false.

Mr. BALL. Later on the police came in your place?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. They asked you if you had seen a man come in there without a ticket?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. BURROUGHS. I said, "I haven't seen him myself. He might have, but I didn't see him when he came in. He must have sneaked in and run on upstairs before I saw him."

They didn't ask him if he had seen the guy at all, they asked him if he had seen a man come in there without a ticket.

Point being?

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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2025, 11:50:58 PM »
"I haven't seen him myself. He might have, but I didn't see him when he came in. He must have sneaked in and run on upstairs before I saw him." -- Butch Burroughs

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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2025, 05:51:51 AM »
Just for context, there is this bit from Burroughs' WC  testimony:

Mr. Ball: On this day of November 22, 1963, what time did you go to work?

Mr. Burroughs: I went to work at 12.

Mr. Ball: You went to work that day at 12?

Mr. Burroughs: That day at 12 o'clock----yes.

Mr. Ball: And you later saw a struggle in the theatre between a man and some officers, didn't you?
Mr. Burroughs: Yes
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Mr. Ball: Did you see that man come in the theatre?

Mr. Burroughs: No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball: Do you have any idea what you were doing when he came in?

Mr. Burroughs: Well, I was----I had a lot of stock candy to count and put in the candy case for the coming night, and if he had came around in front of the concession out there, I would have seen him, even though I was bent down, I would have seen him, but otherwise I think he sneaked up the stairs real fast.

Note that this is specifically about the guy "in a struggle with officers," i.e. Oswald. 



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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2025, 05:51:51 AM »


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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2025, 01:26:03 AM »
Just for context, there is this bit from Burroughs' WC  testimony:

Mr. Ball: On this day of November 22, 1963, what time did you go to work?

Mr. Burroughs: I went to work at 12.

Mr. Ball: You went to work that day at 12?

Mr. Burroughs: That day at 12 o'clock----yes.

Mr. Ball: And you later saw a struggle in the theatre between a man and some officers, didn't you?
Mr. Burroughs: Yes
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Mr. Ball: Did you see that man come in the theatre?

Mr. Burroughs: No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball: Do you have any idea what you were doing when he came in?

Mr. Burroughs: Well, I was----I had a lot of stock candy to count and put in the candy case for the coming night, and if he had came around in front of the concession out there, I would have seen him, even though I was bent down, I would have seen him, but otherwise I think he sneaked up the stairs real fast.

Note that this is specifically about the guy "in a struggle with officers," i.e. Oswald.

Very nice, Mitch.  I wish I would have presented it in that manner.
Thanks.

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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2025, 07:24:02 PM »
Nobody disputes that Burroughs said he didn't see the man come in the theater (which is what he was asked).  It's false to characterize this as Burroughs saying that he didn't see him AT ALL.

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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2025, 06:23:14 PM »
Nobody disputes that Burroughs said he didn't see the man come in the theater (which is what he was asked).  It's false to characterize this as Burroughs saying that he didn't see him AT ALL.

Technically true, but pretty odd that he wouldn't mention any other encounter with the man in question.

Also, as in TMWKK, he says that Oswald entered the Theater "between 1:00 and 1:07" If he knew that, then he saw Oswald come in, which is contradicted by his WC testimony.

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Re: "I Haven't Seen Him Myself" -- Butch Burroughs
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2025, 06:23:14 PM »