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Online Charles Collins

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POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« on: January 11, 2025, 06:46:18 PM »
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I recently performed an exercise for my own benefit using my sniper’s nest model and a 1/24 scale model of the JFK Limo. According to my calculations, the 1/24 scale model limo is slightly too small but within a reasonable size for this application. Therefore the appearance of the limo in my photos will be slightly too small compared to if this were to be done with a full size model limo in Dealey Plaza and the TSBD. I thought I would share some of this because some questions have been recently raised regarding an early shot.

Here is a few of the photos showing how I set up the camera & rifle & scope, etc in the sniper’s nest model. The tape on the floor represents some of the various indicated locations of the shots (Z133, Z160, Z224, & Z313).

First is the rifle and scope. Magnification is set at 4X, the same as the scope found in the TSBD. My phone camera is set up on an adapter to the rear of the scope. I removed one of the boxes in order to set up the mini tripod. The other boxes are in the correct positions.





The next photo shows the tape on the floor representing the targets that relate to the locations described above. The earliest shot location (Z133) cannot be seen from the seated position. The next photo shows the earliest shot location from a standing position. This is standing straight up, no leaning required.








This will be continued in a second post.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2025, 09:37:56 PM by Charles Collins »

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POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
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Re: POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2025, 07:13:47 PM »
Continuing the first post, I will show you what the view through the scope looks like. First is an image I found on the net that appears to be a reconstruction photo taken in Dealey Plaza at the Z224 location. I am showing this for reference purposes. Note the relative size of the limo to the full round image that can be seen in the scope.





Next is a photo through the 4X scope of my model showing the limo at the Z224 location to compare with the above photo. Compare the sizes of the limos relative to the full circle images of the scopes. I think they are reasonably close.





Next is a photo through the 4X scope of my model showing the limo at the Z313 location.





Next is a photo through the 4X scope of my model showing the limo at the Z160 location.





Next is a photo through the 4X scope of my model showing the limo at the Z133 location.




Notice how the limo model appears larger and larger as the distances get shorter and shorter. As the distance doubles the image size is cut in half (inversely proportional).

Here is a photo showing the distances to the targets from my eye when sitting or standing (as needed for the Z133 location) as measured with a laser. Please feel free to check my math regarding the 1/24th scale being slightly too small. I am human and do make mistakes.

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Re: POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2025, 07:23:45 PM »
If you have looked at the first two posts and digested what is shown, I have a question for you. How do you miss the entire limo on the early shot at Z133 or even earlier, as has been suggested. Even an awkward offhand standing position and a moving target, it doesn’t seem possible to me that one could miss the entire limo which basically fills up the entire scope and more. I suggest the most logical reason to miss the entire limo would be an inadvertent early shot.

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Re: POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2025, 07:28:45 PM »
If you have looked at the first two posts and digested what is shown, I have a question for you. How do you miss the entire limo on the early shot at Z133 or even earlier, as has been suggested. Even an awkward offhand standing position and a moving target, it doesn’t seem possible to me that one could miss the entire limo which basically fills up the entire scope and more. I suggest the most logical reason to miss the entire limo would be an inadvertent early shot.
To make your model better, drill a hole in the floor between the jump seats, as per Oswald's first shot at pseudo Z105.

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Re: POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2025, 08:00:01 PM »
If you have looked at the first two posts and digested what is shown, I have a question for you. How do you miss the entire limo on the early shot at Z133 or even earlier, as has been suggested. Even an awkward offhand standing position and a moving target, it doesn’t seem possible to me that one could miss the entire limo which basically fills up the entire scope and more. I suggest the most logical reason to miss the entire limo would be an inadvertent early shot.

Why are your images so large?

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Re: POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2025, 08:01:10 PM »
If you have looked at the first two posts and digested what is shown, I have a question for you. How do you miss the entire limo on the early shot at Z133 or even earlier, as has been suggested. Even an awkward offhand standing position and a moving target, it doesn’t seem possible to me that one could miss the entire limo which basically fills up the entire scope and more. I suggest the most logical reason to miss the entire limo would be an inadvertent early shot.

What makes you think Oswald used the scope for the first shot?
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Re: POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2025, 08:36:31 PM »
Why are your images so large?


It is all relative to the resolution of your screen vs the resolution of my phone camera and screen. Sadly this web forum site design doesn’t automatically scale images. A lot of them do. There is a way to add code to the post that will scale them down. But I don’t remember the code, I am not a computer geek. Maybe Duncan will see fit to give us an easy way to help this situation out (if we are fortunate).

Edit: I reduced the size of the photos thanks to the suggestion by John Iacoletti. I probably do not have the aspect ratios exactly right. But I gave it the old college try…
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Re: POV: A sniper’s view of an early shot
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2025, 08:58:55 PM »
Charles, do something like this:

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