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Online Fred Litwin

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My podcast with author Don Carpenter
« on: January 24, 2025, 01:03:49 PM »
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On the Trail of Delusion, Episode Ten with Don Carpenter

Don is the author of Man of a Million Fragments: The True Story of Clay Shaw. No one knows more about Clay Shaw than Don.

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Re: My podcast with author Don Carpenter
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2025, 02:40:34 PM »
In his biography on Shaw, Mr. Carpenter provides a number of accounts from people discussing Shaw's politics, what they were. None support in any way Garrison's claims that Shaw was a right winger and it was for that, in part, that he conspired to assassinate JFK. In fact, nowhere in the book is there the slightest hint of Shaw being on the right at all. Or of hating JFK.

A colleague, Charles Nutter, said this: "I suppose he was a liberal Democrat. I was a Republican then but could never get an argument out of him. He was not much interested in politics. He worked for Kennedy a bit. But he was interested in cultural pursuits, preserving the French Quarter and that gay world they talk about."

Another: "[He was] indifferent to the ramifications of politics, to religion, and to most things except his amazing running of that complicated Trade mart, cultural and intellectual pursuits."

Another: "Clay was never political minded...Clay was always the poised, gracious urbane gentleman. His political views were so quiet, few knew them. Over the 14 years I attended many meetings with him and never heard him mention politics."

Carpenter cites several letters that Shaw wrote shortly after the assassination, to friends and others who he met while promoting the Trade Mart. In none of them did Shaw mention the Kennedy assassination. That, to me, is a bit odd. But it supports the view that he was really mostly apolitical, not interested in such matters.

So where did this idea come from?
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Re: My podcast with author Don Carpenter
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2025, 03:37:12 PM »
There is one in which Shaw mentioned the assassination.

In a letter dated December 12, 1963, Shaw wrote Monroe Sullivan of the World Trade Center in SF:

"Now that I am back safe and sound, I want to tell you how much I enjoyed meeting you in San Francisco, and to thank you for your kind hospitality. It was particularly appreciated because of the tragic circumstances surrounding our meeting there."


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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2025, 03:45:15 PM »
There is one in which Shaw mentioned the assassination.

In a letter dated December 12, 1963, Shaw wrote Monroe Sullivan of the World Trade Center in SF:

"Now that I am back safe and sound, I want to tell you how much I enjoyed meeting you in San Francisco, and to thank you for your kind hospitality. It was particularly appreciated because of the tragic circumstances surrounding our meeting there."


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I vaguely remember that letter. Or, in this case, not-so-vaguely forgot it. Carpenter has this about the letters Shaw wrote at that post-assassination time: "In none of the letters to individuals on the West Coast did Shaw mention the assassination." He specifically mentioned the letter to Sullivan; so he missed that reference to the event.

Just one on the Andrews controversy: Carpenter has Shaw arriving by train in San Francisco at 8:00 a.m. on Thursday. So Shaw either left Wednesday night or very early Thursday. Dean Andrews was admitted to the hospital Thursday (I don't have a time) for double pneumonia. He would stay for 10 days. He said he received a call on SaPersonay about 4:00 p.m. from a "Bertrand" asking him to represent Oswald. He said that because of his condition he couldn't accept the job (I think he made the whole thing up but that's another discussion).

Question: How could Shaw - in San Francisco at the time - know that Andrews was in the hospital? And which one? Andrews' secretary never mentioned receiving a call from anyone that day inquiring about where Andrews was. I can't see how Shaw - or anyone *not close* to Andrews - would know he was in the hospital. And which one.
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Re: My podcast with author Don Carpenter
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2025, 06:56:52 PM »
That is a really good point.

I missed the timing in this post.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/sylvia-meagher-writes-clay-shaw-with-an-idea

I think I will blog your comments below...with full credit...

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Re: My podcast with author Don Carpenter
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2025, 06:56:52 PM »