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Online Tom Mahon

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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2025, 02:35:18 AM »
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This probably goes way over your head, but the best lie is the one that stays as close as possible to the truth.

So, no I don't think that "any of it" (whatever that means) was made up.
Physical evidence does not need to be made up when it can be manipulated in a highly circumstantial case like this one.

Let's see if you understand what I am trying to tell you. Marina said that Oswald wanted to get back together with her and she turned him down.
He then apparently gave her most of his money and left his wedding ring in a cup before leaving for the TSBD on Friday morning.
The benign explanation is that he understood his marriage was over but in a circumstantial case against him it suddenly becomes "evidence" that he killed Kennedy.
Can you explain to me why the circumstantial story has more merit than the benign explanation?

Marina?

Marina Oswald, née Prusakova?

The Soviet woman (and former KGB "swallow" in Saint Petersburg) whom true KGB defector Pyotr Deriabin (1954) said a couple of days after the assassination had to be, at the very least, a low-level KGB informant to be permitted to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him?

That Marina?

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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2025, 02:46:17 AM »
Marina?

Marina Oswald, née Prusakova?

The Soviet woman (and former KGB "swallow" in Saint Petersburg) whom true KGB defector Pyotr Deriabin (1954) said a couple of days after the assassination had to be, at the very least, a low-level KGB informant to be permitted to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him?

That Marina?

Hilarious.....  :D

Yes, the same Marina you rely on for the alleged presence of a rifle, wrapped in a blanket, in Ruth Paine's garage.

And never mind that Ruth Paine said the same thing, right?

How did you become so desperate so quickly?

Care to try again?

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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2025, 02:59:03 AM »
Hilarious.....  :D

Yes, the same Marina you rely on for the alleged presence of a rifle, wrapped in a blanket, in Ruth Paine's garage.

And never mind that Ruth Paine said the same thing, right?

How did you become so desperate so quickly?

Care to try again?

I was just commenting on Marina's overall reliability.

Hint: The best double agents tell 98% truth and 2% lies.

Questions:

Did the short-rifle have fibers on it that matched the fibers of the blanket, or were those fabricated / planted, too?

Did the short-rifle have Oswald's prints on it, or were those fabricated / planted, too?
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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2025, 03:09:57 AM »
Did the short-rifle have fibers on it that matched the fibers of the blanket, or were those fabricated / planted, too?

Did the short-rifle have Oswald's prints on it, or were those fabricated / planted, too?

There is no such thing as fibers matching. At best fibers can be similar which is hardly conclusive.

What prints are you talking about? The FBI lab in Washington examined the rifle found at the TSBD and found no prints on it at all.

And how does a rifle found at the TSBD automatically becomes a rifle that was allegedly stored in Ruth Paine's garage?
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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2025, 03:21:24 AM »
I was just commenting on Marina's overall reliability.

Hint: The best double agents tell 98% truth and 2% lies.

Questions:

Did the short-rifle have fibers on it that matched the fibers of the blanket, or were those fabricated / planted, too?

Did the short-rifle have Oswald's prints on it, or were those fabricated / planted, too?

I was just commenting on Marina's overall reliability.

How convenient. Marina is reliable until she isn't.

IMO that woman told so many lies that anything she said should have been disregarded in the first place, but that would have destroyed the case against Oswald.

Nobody has ever explained why an immigration officer was flown in to have a meeting with Marina?

Mr. RANKIN. Did you see anyone from the Immigration Service during this period of time?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know who that was?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember the name. I think he is the chairman of that office. At least he was a representative of that office.
Mr. RANKIN. By "that office" you mean the one at Dallas?
Mrs. OSWALD. I was told that he had especially come from New York, it seems to me.
Mr. RANKIN. What did he say to you?
Mrs. OSWALD. That if I was not guilty of anything, if I had not committed any crime against this Government, then I had every right to live in this country. This was a type of introduction before the questioning by the FBI. He even said that it would be better for me if I were to help them.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he explain to you what he meant by being better for you?
Mrs. OSWALD. In the sense that I would have more rights in this country. I understood it that way.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you understand that you were being threatened with deportation if you didn't answer these questions?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, I did not understand it that way.
You see, it was presented in such a delicate form, but there was a clear implication that it would be better if I were to help.

Btw, why do you keep asking me dumb questions, when all you need to do to shut me up is provide conclusive evidence to demonstrate Oswald's guilt?

Could it be you haven't got any?
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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2025, 03:37:28 AM »
The FBI lab in Washington examined the rifle found at the TSBD and found no prints on it at all.

Wasn't Oswald's palm print found on the short-rifle by the DPD (or was it planted there by the bad guys who lifted off of Oswald's corpse at the morgue?), and weren't some fingerprints detected by the DPD on the trigger guard area, photographed by the DPD, and later determined by a fingerprint expert from said photographs to be Oswald's?
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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2025, 03:50:36 AM »
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IMO Marina told so many lies that anything she said should have been disregarded in the first place, but that would have destroyed the case against Oswald.

Given the fact that Oswald was seen shooting at JFK by Howard Brennan, that he left the TSBD without permission within 3 minutes of the shooting, that his prints were found on two (or was it three?) boxes in the Sniper's Nest and on the paper bag and on his short-rifle, etc. etc., how would the case against the sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist have been destroyed if everything his little KGB-agent wife said about him and his short-rifle, etc., had been disregarded?
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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2025, 03:55:48 AM »
Wasn't Oswald's palm print found on the short-rifle by the DPD (or was it planted there by the bad guys who lifted off of Oswald's corpse at the morgue?), and weren't some fingerprints detected by the DPD on the trigger guard area, photographed by the DPD, and later determined by a fingerprint expert from said photographs to be Oswald's?

Wasn't Oswald's palm print found on the short-rifle by the DPD

Was it?

There was a print on an evidence card which Lt Day claimed to have taken from the rifle on 11/22/63, but he didn't produce that card until a week later.

Can you imagine a solid reason for the DPD to hold back evidence that ties Oswald to the rifle for a week?

Besides, when the FBI examined the rifle they could not find any trace of a print, so how did Day manage to remove that print 100% without a trace?

and weren't some fingerprints detected by the DPD on the trigger guard area, photographed by the DPD, and later determined by a fingerprint expert from said photographs to be Oswald's?

I have no idea. I am aware of some fingerprint expert who, years after the assassination, was given some photos of prints allegedly taken from the rifle and some prints allegedly taken from Oswald who claimed there was a match.
What I am not aware of is a formal investigation or testimony by an expert under oath.

What seems to be a common thread in this entire investigation is that somebody is giving an expert or a witness some document or photo claiming to be authentic and asking for a comparision with some other piece of evidence that is claimed to be authentic.

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Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
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