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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Why did Oswald kill JFK?
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Nope. Not even a nice try. You're really trying (in vain) to stretch your argument to fit your assumption. You are putting yourself inside Oswald's head, assuming his thoughts. Wow, impressive (but you are only impressing yourself with that hogwash).

The underlying question assumes that Oswald killed JFK.  It literally says "Why did Oswald kill JFK"?  In that context there is no assumption as to Oswald's guilt.  What is being discussed is WHY he did it.  There are plenty of thread to discuss baseless conspiracy theories about WHETHER he did it.  This is not one of them, however.

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Online Jim Hawthorn

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« Reply #17 on: Today at 04:04:28 PM »
The underlying question assumes that Oswald killed JFK.  It literally says "Why did Oswald kill JFK"?  In that context there is no assumption as to Oswald's guilt.  What is being discussed is WHY he did it.  There are plenty of thread to discuss baseless conspiracy theories about WHETHER he did it.  This is not one of them, however.

As we have seen throughout this forum, there is no proof that Oswald killed JFK. Therefore, the premise of this thread is absurd - as is, saying what was going through Oswald's mind at a particular time.

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Re: Why did Oswald kill JFK?
« Reply #18 on: Today at 04:58:00 PM »
Like Richard, you're trying to think like Oswald in order to validate your theory.
I really don't have a theory to which I am anything like irrevocably wedded. In my opinion, the evidence and reasonable inferences overwhelmingly point oward Oswald as being directly involved in the JFKA. This is true regardless of whether he was a lone assassin or involved in a conspiracy. The popular notion that he was entirely innocent, in my opinion, is completely untenable. Hence, I do indeed try to make sense of his actions and statements on the basis of his direct involvement and what may have been going on inside his head,
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You also seem to be incorrectly assuming that a conspiracy has to be "elaborate". Have you considered to possibility that nobody with "the government" was involved? That it wasn't an "inside job"?
I don't assume that at all. See the thread I just started, "Is this a plausible conspiracy?" The fact is, the JFKA conspiracy community is, to a large extent, addicted to preposterously elaborate and untenable theories from Harvey & Lee on down. These theories, without exception, require the reinvention of Oswald into someone bearing no resemblance to the real man. These theories are driven, not by a wish to explain the JFKA, but by a wish to validate a particular political perspective to which the JFKA is only marginally related.
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If I observe Oswald's behaviour (without trying to say what he's actually thinking), he look perplexed, confused. Rather than looking like he has triumphed by getting back at others, "sticking a finger up", he looks stunned - denying that he shot anyone and shouting "I'm the patsy!!". Then comes the hopeless LNer argument: "he was nuts". ::)
If any of us had had the three hours I believe Oswald had from noon to 3 PM on 11-22, I think we'd be looking a bit stunned, perplexed and confused. The fact is, he was by all accounts astonishingly composed, arrogant, hostile and spouting preposterous lies during intense interrogation. His patsy comment had nothing to do with any conspiracy and was in furtherance of his Marxist theme (the DPD only picked me up because I went to Russia).

I don't believe he was "nuts" at all. Psychologically disturbed, yes. I believe he realized his life had reached a dead-end and all his dreams were going nowhere. He was no more "nuts" than any other suicide or assassin. He committed a desperate act, was astonished to find he had survived it, and now the wheels were turning as to how this might be played out as Marxist theater. It's always surprising to me, given Oswald's demonstrated propensity to lie and lie and lie, from job applications to personal relationships, that so many CTers are willing to believe his claims of innocense were truthful.

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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #19 on: Today at 05:13:30 PM »
I really don't have a theory to which I am anything like irrevocably wedded. In my opinion, the evidence and reasonable inferences overwhelmingly point oward Oswald as being directly involved in the JFKA. This is true regardless of whether he was a lone assassin or involved in a conspiracy. The popular notion that he was entirely innocent, in my opinion, is completely untenable. Hence, I do indeed try to make sense of his actions and statements on the basis of his direct involvement and what may have been going on inside his head,I don't assume that at all. See the thread I just started, "Is this a plausible conspiracy?" The fact is, the JFKA conspiracy community is, to a large extent, addicted to preposterously elaborate and untenable theories from Harvey & Lee on down. These theories, without exception, require the reinvention of Oswald into someone bearing no resemblance to the real man. These theories are driven, not by a wish to explain the JFKA, but by a wish to validate a particular political perspective to which the JFKA is only marginally related.If any of us had had the three hours I believe Oswald had from noon to 3 PM on 11-22, I think we'd be looking a bit stunned, perplexed and confused. The fact is, he was by all accounts astonishingly composed, arrogant, hostile and spouting preposterous lies during intense interrogation. His patsy comment had nothing to do with any conspiracy and was in furtherance of his Marxist theme (the DPD only picked me up because I went to Russia).

I don't believe he was "nuts" at all. Psychologically disturbed, yes. I believe he realized his life had reached a dead-end and all his dreams were going nowhere. He was no more "nuts" than any other suicide or assassin. He committed a desperate act, was astonished to find he had survived it, and now the wheels were turning as to how this might be played out as Marxist theater. It's always surprising to me, given Oswald's demonstrated propensity to lie and lie and lie, from job applications to personal relationships, that so many CTers are willing to believe his claims of innocense were truthful.
Publicly he acted confused, perplexed - "I don't know what this is all about." Privately, during the interrogations he was confrontational, belligerent, uncooperative. He was acting (it's why in part that he wanted the Marxist lawyer John Abt; he was going to play the victim defense and Abt was good at using that defense).

In any case, for a political person, someone who supposedly liked JFK, he showed no interest or concern in what happened to JFK from the moment he left the TSBD shortly after the shooting to the moment he was arrested in the theater. He leaves work without permission, he doesn't inquire about this incredible event that happened outside the building where he worked (it's chaos, people running around and he's not interested in what the heck happened?), he doesn't discuss the shooting with anyone, he doesn't stop and watch the news coverage on TV when he goes to his rooming house, he doesn't call Marina to talk about this tragedy, he's in a movie theater an hour after the shooting completely uninterested in what happened.

If you don't find that suspicious then you don't want to think it is.

Was it more than him? Did it end there? We can argue whether there was more, it was Oswald plus. But to suggest he was completely innocent, just some guy working is simply ignoring all of the evidence otherwise.
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Online Jim Hawthorn

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« Reply #20 on: Today at 06:30:01 PM »
I really don't have a theory to which I am anything like irrevocably wedded. In my opinion, the evidence and reasonable inferences overwhelmingly point oward Oswald as being directly involved in the JFKA. This is true regardless of whether he was a lone assassin or involved in a conspiracy.
Bingo! Hence his behaviour, which screams "Oh f**k, the bastards have set ME up!"

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« Reply #21 on: Today at 06:30:50 PM »
Publicly he acted confused, perplexed - "I don't know what this is all about." Privately, during the interrogations he was confrontational, belligerent, uncooperative. He was acting (it's why in part that he wanted the Marxist lawyer John Abt; he was going to play the victim defense and Abt was good at using that defense).

In any case, for a political person, someone who supposedly liked JFK, he showed no interest or concern in what happened to JFK from the moment he left the TSBD shortly after the shooting to the moment he was arrested in the theater. He leaves work without permission, he doesn't inquire about this incredible event that happened outside the building where he worked (it's chaos, people running around and he's not interested in what the heck happened?), he doesn't discuss the shooting with anyone, he doesn't stop and watch the news coverage on TV when he goes to his rooming house, he doesn't call Marina to talk about this tragedy, he's in a movie theater an hour after the shooting completely uninterested in what happened.

If you don't find that suspicious then you don't want to think it is.

Was it more than him? Did it end there? We can argue whether there was more, it was Oswald plus. But to suggest he was completely innocent, just some guy working is simply ignoring all of the evidence otherwise.

See my above comment.

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Re: Why did Oswald kill JFK?
« Reply #22 on: Today at 09:16:14 PM »
Nope. Not even a nice try. You're really trying (in vain) to stretch your argument to fit your assumption. You are putting yourself inside Oswald's head, assuming his thoughts. Wow, impressive (but you are only impressing yourself with that hogwash).

"Richard" has a magic crystal ball in the basement of his mom's house where he lives.

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Re: Why did Oswald kill JFK?
« Reply #23 on: Today at 09:17:23 PM »
The underlying question assumes that Oswald killed JFK.  It literally says "Why did Oswald kill JFK"?  In that context there is no assumption as to Oswald's guilt.  What is being discussed is WHY he did it.  There are plenty of thread to discuss baseless conspiracy theories about WHETHER he did it.  This is not one of them, however.

Why does "Richard Smith" beat his wife?  Aren't loaded questions fun?

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