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Offline Lance Payette

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Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« on: February 09, 2025, 12:50:43 PM »
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Isn't the problem with JFKA research that there are just too many conspiracy theories? That's why I always eventually lose interest and go back to the Shroud of Turin or Roswell or some other area of weirdness. Jesus, I've heard enough about the Grassy Knoll, the Magic Bullet and whatnot.

CTers may be united against the "tinfoil-hat" crazies who hold the Lone Nut perspective (The Ed Forum folks keep insisting LNers should be banned because they either HAVE TO BE delusional or CIA plants!) but their own diverse theories are so diametrically opposed that they are impossible to square. The current Loudest Voices seem hell-bent force the highest-level LBJ/CIA/etc. theory down our throats. In the abstract, if I were to pick the most likely suspect, it would be The Mafia, pure and simple - which I believe is the view Larry Schnapf holds, and Pat Speer agreed when I suggested it. But The Mafia just isn't emotionally satisfying for the LBJ/CIA crowd. Then, of course, we have the theories that involve so many diverse players - LBJ, the CIA, the SS, the DPD and sure, even the Mafia - that the conspiracy had to involve hundreds of players. It gives the appearance of cranks - yes, even at the level of the Biggest Names - just flailing in all directions.

All the CT community is really interested in, it seems to me - apart from selling books and other varieties of hucksterism, of course - is in creating doubt about the LN scenario or even establishing Oswald's innocence (good luck with that). If I were a CTer with a genuine interest in changing the verdict of history, I would urge my fellow CTers to get their act together and focus on establishing a single, plausible, evidence-based theory. This may not be possible, but that would be the goal. Get back to me when you have one. I even had hopes for The Oswald Puzzle until the very end, then it went into la-la land.

You can't just keep reinventing Oswald, engaging in raw speculation that is so obviously agenda-driven, and expect the verdict of history to take you seriously. The fact that the media loves this sort of stuff (as Walter Cronkite said, "We don't run stories about the cats who don't get caught in trees and don't have to be rescued by firemen") or that "72% of the completely uninformed public thinks there was a conspiracy!" is totally irrelevant to the verdict of history.

No CTer is going to "solve" the JFKA. What is needed is simply a more plausible, evidence-based scenario - if there is one. Attempting to poke dubious holes in the LN narrative won't get you there.
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Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2025, 02:05:14 PM »
       If you're looking for a Mr Big behind the curtain, he does Not exist. The recorded conversation between LBJ and J. Edgar proves there is no single Mr Big. You got LBJ, Hoover, CIA, Mafia. You wanna pull a coup? You gotta have the military sewed up. Otherwise, your new POTUS will be quickly 86'd. We saw this "military control" via General Milley + China with respect to the 2020 POTUS Election. That was a modern day coup. A "silent" coup so to say. Elon Musk and his SpaceX nerd birds ended that silent coup in 2024. This is why the current "effort" is aimed at destroying Musk. The problem with a silent coup is the "target"  lives on. And, as we saw, this target can come back to haunt you.     
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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2025, 08:00:23 PM »
Isn't the problem with JFKA research that there are just too many conspiracy theories? That's why I always eventually lose interest and go back to the Shroud of Turin or Roswell or some other area of weirdness. Jesus, I've heard enough about the Grassy Knoll, the Magic Bullet and whatnot.

CTers may be united against the "tinfoil-hat" crazies who hold the Lone Nut perspective (The Ed Forum folks keep insisting LNers should be banned because they either HAVE TO BE delusional or CIA plants!) but their own diverse theories are so diametrically opposed that they are impossible to square. The current Loudest Voices seem hell-bent force the highest-level LBJ/CIA/etc. theory down our throats. In the abstract, if I were to pick the most likely suspect, it would be The Mafia, pure and simple - which I believe is the view Larry Schnapf holds, and Pat Speer agreed when I suggested it. But The Mafia just isn't emotionally satisfying for the LBJ/CIA crowd. Then, of course, we have the theories that involve so many diverse players - LBJ, the CIA, the SS, the DPD and sure, even the Mafia - that the conspiracy had to involve hundreds of players. It gives the appearance of cranks - yes, even at the level of the Biggest Names - just flailing in all directions.

All the CT community is really interested in, it seems to me - apart from selling books and other varieties of hucksterism, of course - is in creating doubt about the LN scenario or even establishing Oswald's innocence (good luck with that). If I were a CTer with a genuine interest in changing the verdict of history, I would urge my fellow CTers to get their act together and focus on establishing a single, plausible, evidence-based theory. This may not be possible, but that would be the goal. Get back to me when you have one. I even had hopes for The Oswald Puzzle until the very end, then it went into la-la land.

You can't just keep reinventing Oswald, engaging in raw speculation that is so obviously agenda-driven, and expect the verdict of history to take you seriously. The fact that the media loves this sort of stuff (as Walter Cronkite said, "We don't run stories about the cats who don't get caught in trees and don't have to be rescued by firemen") or that "72% of the completely uninformed public thinks there was a conspiracy!" is totally irrelevant to the verdict of history.

No CTer is going to "solve" the JFKA. What is needed is simply a more plausible, evidence-based scenario - if there is one. Attempting to poke dubious holes in the LN narrative won't get you there.
Me myself i am the only one on Earth that has nailed it. Read all of my postings.
I got a good start from mainly Howard Donahue, Bonar Menninger, Colin McLaren, & Max Holland.
I learnt lots of good stuff from many members & non-members of forums.
But for sure CTers appear to be professional plants (smart people karnt be that stupid).

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2025, 08:00:23 PM »


Online Tom Mahon

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2025, 08:28:13 PM »
Me myself i am the only one on Earth that has nailed it. Read all of my postings.
I got a good start from mainly Howard Donahue, Bonar Menninger, Colin McLaren, & Max Holland.
I learnt lots of good stuff from many members & non-members of forums.
But for sure CTers appear to be professional plants (smart people karnt be that stupid).

You're so full of beans, I can smell you from here.

Offline Jake Maxwell

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2025, 11:09:49 PM »

In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2025, 11:40:55 PM »
You're so full of beans, I can smell you from here.
I do not eat any carbs (no beans)(no veggies fruits nuts grains sugar starch fibre etc).
And no oils (not even olive or coconut).
I have been carnivore since Nov2023.
Eggs lamb sardines pepperoni (cheese some days), cream in my tea (glass of wine most days).
Wt went down from 80kg to today 72kg.
Belly is flat except for a handfull or two of fat.
I should excercise, i might go for walks, but not today.
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Online Tom Mahon

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2025, 12:58:54 AM »
I do not eat any carbs (no beans)(no veggies fruits nuts grains sugar starch fibre etc).
And no oils (not even olive or coconut).
I have been carnivore since Nov2023.
Eggs lamb sardines pepperoni (cheese some days), cream in my tea (glass of wine most days).
Wt went down from 80kg to today 72kg.
Belly is flat except for a handfull or two of fat.
I should excercise, i might go for walks, but not today.

Well, I guess you're full of something else, then.

Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2025, 08:06:36 AM »
Well, I guess you're full of something else, then.
MY 942 postings krapp on your 273 i bet.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2025, 08:08:02 AM by Marjan Rynkiewicz »

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Re: Too many conspiracy theories - isn't this the problem?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2025, 08:06:36 AM »