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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #168 on: February 16, 2025, 11:55:26 PM »
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Colour and shading can be influenced by lighting contrast but essentially is governed in the eye of the beholder.

The following jacket in this recreation appears lighter and darker because of the reasons stated directly above.



In the following image there's no doubting that this is the jacket because it was filmed in the car park on the same day and is the same type as Oswald's zip up jacket, so are we to believe that a random jacket of unknown origin just happened to be found in the same car park that Oswald was seen entering and was the exact same type as Oswald's?
Also look at the shading and being described as white is more than possible, the car in the back ground seems to be whiter.



The initialled jacket.



Earlene Roberts remembers Oswald getting a zipper jacket.

Mr. BALL. Then, what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He went to his room and he was in his shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it on---it was kind of a zipper jacket.


And she remembers the type because he was zipping it up.

Mr. BALL. It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door.


And as stated above, the lighting in a bright court room would be different to the rooming house and is the reason why Earlene thought the jacket was darker.

Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?


And lastly and most importantly why would Oswald be seen by Earlene wearing a jacket yet Oswald was arrested without his jacket?



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Colour and shading can be influenced by lighting contrast but essentially is governed in the eye of the beholder.

The following jacket in this recreation appears lighter and darker because of the reasons stated directly above.


The officers who described the jacket found at the parking lot, in DPD radio traffic, as being white did not observe it being worn by a person walking through shade and sunshine.

In the following image there's no doubting that this is the jacket because it was filmed in the car park on the same day and is the same type as Oswald's zip up jacket, 

The two photos were not taken under the same conditions. You are comparing apples to oranges.

The initialled jacket.



Care to tell us who all those 7 officers are that put their initials on it, when the actual record only shows that Westbrook and two unidentified officers handled it.

And she remembers the type because he was zipping it up.

Just too bad, she couldn't identify the jacket when shown to her by Ball and, even worse, she thought the jacket she had seen was darker than CE162.

Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?


Her statements and testimony were highly unreliable. It's too bad it's all you've got.
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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
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« Reply #169 on: February 17, 2025, 12:05:04 AM »
You make a rather seismic semantic shift here. First, his ownership of the M-C doesn't "prove" he took the shots. No, it certainly doesn't. Next, its has "nothing to do" with whether he took the shots. WHAT???

If the M-C had been owned by Linnie Mae Randle, it would be far less likely that Oswald took the shots. His ownership of the rifle doesn't prove he took the shots but makes it FAR more likely that he did. Even your imaginary conspirators who planted the rifle recognized this, or they would have planted a more plausible assassination weapon. They planted Oswald's rifle because it would make the conclusion that their desired patsy took the shots far more probable.

His ownership of the rifle doesn't prove he took the shots

Did I miss something? When did you prove that Oswald owned the rifle found at the TSBD and/or that it was ever stored in Ruth Paine's garage?

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« Reply #170 on: February 17, 2025, 12:08:37 AM »
Well Dan, this is obvious.

Oswald was in the process of flight from the scene of his crime and while coming down the stairs Oswald heard Truly shouting up the adjacent elevator shaft to release the elevator, so Oswald made a beeline for neutral explainable territory, the 2nd floor lunchroom.
Then after being confronted by Truly and Baker in the lunchroom and then fortunately being left alone a Oswald realized that he would have had to have a reason for why he was seen entering the lunchroom hence his coke purchase.

Mr. BELIN. You might put a "B" on Exhibit 362 by the elevator for "button."
Mr. TRULY. That is right on this surface. There is a little button. I pressed the button and the elevator didn't move.
I called upstairs , "Turn loose the elevator."
Mr. BELIN. When you say call up, in what kind of a voice did you call?
Mr. TRULY. Real loud. I suppose in an excited voice. But loud enough that anyone could have heard me if they had not been over stacking or making a little noise. But I rang the bell and pushed this button.


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Oswald was in the process of flight from the scene of his crime and while coming down the stairs Oswald heard Truly shouting up the adjacent elevator shaft to release the elevator, so Oswald made a beeline for neutral explainable territory, the 2nd floor lunchroom.
Then after being confronted by Truly and Baker in the lunchroom and then fortunately being left alone a Oswald realized that he would have had to have a reason for why he was seen entering the lunchroom hence his coke purchase.


Very silly. If, in this scenario, Oswald had continued walking towards the frontdoor, through the office space on the 2nd floor, he would have been gone before Truly got there and Baker would never have seen him to begin with!

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« Reply #171 on: February 17, 2025, 12:14:57 AM »
Why would Oswald, if he was an assassin fleeing the scene, go into the 2nd floor lunchroom to get a bottle of coke?
Logic says that the last thing an assassin fleeing the scene wants to look like is an assassin fleeing the scene. A plausible scenario is that he ducked into the lunchroom because he heard Baker and Truly ascending the stairs. Having survived that encounter with flying colors, he bought a Coke because what would look less assassin-like than strolling out of the TSBD with a Coke? When he encountered Reid with the Coke in his hand at what she thought was an unusual place for him to be, his non-responsiveness to her is distinctly odd and similar to his non-responsiveness to Whaley. I think he realized the lunchroom encounter had handed him a Get Out of the TSBD Free Card and the Coke was just window dressing for the rest of his journey out. If confronted by another cop, he could calmly take a swig of Coke and say "Geez, what's going on? I was just questioned by Mr. Truly and another policeman up there in the lunchroom."

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« Reply #172 on: February 17, 2025, 12:18:16 AM »
Logic says that the last thing an assassin fleeing the scene wants to look like is an assassin fleeing the scene. A plausible scenario is that he ducked into the lunchroom because he heard Baker and Truly ascending the stairs. Having survived that encounter with flying colors, he bought a Coke because what would look less assassin-like than strolling out of the TSBD with a Coke? When he encountered Reid with the Coke in his hand at what she thought was an unusual place for him to be, his non-responsiveness to her is distinctly odd and similar to his non-responsiveness to Whaley. I think he realized the lunchroom encounter had handed him a Get Out of the TSBD Free Card and the Coke was just window dressing for the rest of his journey out. If confronted by another cop, he could calmly take a swig of Coke and say "Geez, what's going on? I was just questioned by Mr. Truly and another policeman up there in the lunchroom."

The KGB (or the evil, evil, evil CIA) may even have coached him to buy a bottle of coke-cola in advance to use as a prop.

Or heck, he may have been sufficiently "street smart" to figure that out all by him widdle sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed self-described Marxist self!
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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #173 on: February 17, 2025, 12:21:20 AM »
His ownership of the rifle doesn't prove he took the shots
When did you prove that Oswald owned the rifle found at the TSBD



The HSCA expert proved Oswald was holding the rifle he purchased, C2766.



The FBI proved that Oswald's palm print was on Oswald's rifle.



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« Reply #174 on: February 17, 2025, 12:21:43 AM »
Logic says that the last thing an assassin fleeing the scene wants to look like is an assassin fleeing the scene. A plausible scenario is that he ducked into the lunchroom because he heard Baker and Truly ascending the stairs. Having survived that encounter with flying colors, he bought a Coke because what would look less assassin-like than strolling out of the TSBD with a Coke? When he encountered Reid with the Coke in his hand at what she thought was an unusual place for him to be, his non-responsiveness to her is distinctly odd and similar to his non-responsiveness to Whaley. I think he realized the lunchroom encounter had handed him a Get Out of the TSBD Free Card and the Coke was just window dressing for the rest of his journey out. If confronted by another cop, he could calmly take a swig of Coke and say "Geez, what's going on? I was just questioned by Mr. Truly and another policeman up there in the lunchroom."

Logic says that the last thing an assassin fleeing the scene wants to look like is an assassin fleeing the scene.

So, basically, what you are saying is that Oswald went into the 2nd lunchroom to not look like an assassin fleeing the scene, and then left the building to take a bus, in all the commotion, and look exactly like the assassin you claim his is.

Hilarious!

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #175 on: February 17, 2025, 12:32:06 AM »
His ownership of the rifle doesn't prove he took the shots

Did I miss something? When did you prove that Oswald owned the rifle found at the TSBD and/or that it was ever stored in Ruth Paine's garage?
You did indeed miss something. The assumption in Dan's question was that Oswald in fact owned the rifle. Lack of reading comprehension is a terrible handicap on internet forums. So is answering posts faster than you can think. Perhaps cut back on the caffeine and think before clicking that Post button?

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« Reply #175 on: February 17, 2025, 12:32:06 AM »