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Offline Zeon Mason

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« Reply #416 on: April 10, 2025, 04:04:56 AM »
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So is this Both a pre planned AND a post event coverup conspiracy?
I’m still stuck on resolving how (and why) that MC rifle was placed  in between the boxes on the 6th floor TSBD if Oswald was not the shooter.
It had be either pre planted or post planted by a conspirator shooter if not by Oswald.
My only explanation so far is that the conspirator shooter must have either gone to great lengths to order the MC  rifle, to set up Oswald ,or he found out that Oswald was a kooky guy who took a picture of himself with the rifle, and somehow he stole the rifle from Oswald.

That issue of CE399 chain of custody vs O.P. Wright having found a pointed bullet forces the CT option that the conspirator shooter used a different rifle. (presuming there is just one shooter of course)

So if the conspirator is using a different rifle, why does  the conspirator expend extra time and energy to steal Oswald’s rifle just to plant it, knowing that will  only temporarily cast suspicion on Oswald for a few hours after the event?

If a post event coverup going on, would the investigators go so far as to substitute  one revolver for another, or take prints from Oswalds hand at the morgue to transfer to the barrel of the MC? Or construct a bag and force Oswalds hand to touch  the middle of the bag to put a print on that bag?

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Offline Ted Shields

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« Reply #417 on: April 10, 2025, 03:44:33 PM »
Quite simple really.

One "lone wolf" whos willing to give his life. Take two steps across Main St and shoot JFK in the head at point blank range.

Then get killed by the cops or the Secret Service. Done.

No need for hundreds of people involved, fake coffins, homeless people, two brains, tapping up marines from the mid 50s sending them to Russia, multiple shooters etc.

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« Reply #418 on: April 10, 2025, 08:10:10 PM »
JI: Nobody claimed that Hill ran off with the revolver. 

It is exactly what he's arguing, whether he realizes it or not;  that Hill had the pistol and just disappeared with it for some amount of time. Otherwise, Martin's argument makes no sense whatsoever. Maybe the hyperbole confused you.

I’m not confused. I see exactly what you’re doing. You made a claim you have absolutely no evidence for, so you’re trying to turn it around and shift the burden.

This “unambiguous custody” thing is a contrivance too. Where did you pull that out of? And if the chain of custody began with Carroll (who didn’t even know whose hand he grabbed it from) then why did McDonald initial the gun later?

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Online Tom Graves

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« Reply #419 on: April 11, 2025, 01:40:37 AM »
I’m not confused. I see exactly what you’re doing. You made a claim you have absolutely no evidence for, so you’re trying to turn it around and shift the burden.

This “unambiguous custody” thing is a contrivance too. Where did you pull that out of? And if the chain of custody began with Carroll (who didn’t even know whose hand he grabbed it from) then why did McDonald initial the gun later?

Iacoletti,

How many bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were wittingly involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

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« Reply #420 on: April 11, 2025, 03:23:53 PM »
Iacoletti,

How many bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were wittingly involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

Graves, give it a rest.

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Online Tom Graves

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« Reply #421 on: April 11, 2025, 08:14:51 PM »
Graves, give it a rest.

Iacoletti,

Just answer the question.

How many bad guys and really, really bad gals do you think (sic) were wittingly involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

1) Just a few

2) Oodles and gobs

3) Somewhere in between

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #422 on: April 12, 2025, 03:26:41 AM »
Iacoletti,

Just answer the question.

How many bad guys and really, really bad gals do you think (sic) were wittingly involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

1) Just a few

2) Oodles and gobs

3) Somewhere in between

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Online Tom Graves

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #423 on: April 12, 2025, 03:36:58 AM »
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

In other words, you think (correctly) that there was no conspiracy, but you really get off on 1) helping "former KGB officer" Vladimir Putin tear our body politic apart, and 2) fantasizing that you're Oswald's public defender lawyer?
« Last Edit: April 12, 2025, 03:37:55 AM by Tom Graves »

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