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Online John Mytton

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« Reply #272 on: February 20, 2025, 07:10:45 AM »
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Nice story. Too bad for you that my posting history shows I didn't post anything between July 3, 2024 and February 6, 2025.

So, if what you did is called "having a life", I beat you hands down.

Hilarious, like I said, you've attached yourself to me like a blood sucking leach, I left in July and made a single post in October and another in November, then started again regularly in late January and then guess what, lo and behold a week or two later, I turn around and the Bogeyman is right there ready to spit his vile venom. Disgusting!

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So, if what you did is called "having a life", I beat you hands down.

Okey dokey, I've just done and exposed the math and you lose, and in fact the 3000+ posts more than me in the exact same amount of time is further proof of your delusion.
You really aren't very good at this, maybe try a new hobby like picking your bum!

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #273 on: February 20, 2025, 07:14:45 AM »
Hilarious, like I said, you've attached yourself to me like a blood sucking leach, I left in July and made a single post in October and another in November, then started again regularly in late January and then guess what, lo and behold a week or two later, I turn around and the Bogeyman is right there ready to spit his vile venom. Disgusting!

Okey dokey, I've just done and exposed the math and you lose, and in fact the 3000+ posts more than me in the exact same amount of time is further proof of your delusion.
You really aren't very good at this, maybe try a new hobby like picking your bum!

JohnM

Your misguided belief of self importance is duly noted!

Only highly insecure people feel the need to constantly try to present themselves as superior, when they actually aren't.
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« Reply #274 on: February 20, 2025, 07:23:18 AM »
Your misguided belief of self importance is duly noted!

Only highly insecure people feel the need to constantly try to present themselves as superior, when they actually aren't.

It is what it is, the dates and numbers speak for themselves, we can't fight facts, they are what they are.

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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #275 on: February 20, 2025, 12:14:51 PM »


...and Mytton trolls out the same tired garbage.

Not sure what this means if Brennan said he saw the man from head to toe before the limo arrived.
Trousers lighter than the shirt? - perhaps he bellied danced in front of the window.

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« Reply #276 on: February 20, 2025, 12:19:35 PM »


This looks like box tops and no way  to know when it was taken.
Trolling out the same tired garbage.
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« Reply #277 on: February 20, 2025, 08:38:51 PM »
It is what it is, the dates and numbers speak for themselves, we can't fight facts, they are what they are.

JohnM

I would say; "Says the guy who constantly fights facts and misrepresents them" but you simply are not important or relevant enough, so I won't.  ;D

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« Reply #278 on: February 21, 2025, 01:21:35 AM »
No.

The two documents were written by the same someone else, most probably the man who witnessed both "Burnett" and were based on established facts and when a human error was observed, Baker corrected the mistake. What is odd that you are placing so much emphasis on a correction that was left in the Official records, like only you have Sherlock Holmes like abilities to decipher the truth.

WTF? Both Baker and Truly looked over the documents, then when satisfied, signed them. How deep does your conspiracy go?

Damaging? If Oswald was carrying around a coke, which he could have purchased at any time, how is that in any way problematic?

I'm saying, "let me out of this madhouse"!!!

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I read through DVP's argument about the Baker affidavit and I'm sure you are proposing the same nonsense - the Burnett either shoved a pre-written affidavit in Baker's face because he was in such a massive rush, Baker saw some mistakes and corrected them OR as Burnett was taking the statement from Baker he was adding details that Baker wasn't even saying and when Baker read over the statement he was shocked to discover these irrational additions.
Both are very silly theories born out of the need for Oswald to not have a coke in his hand when Baker first saw him.
Burnett simply dictated what Baker was saying. This was witnessed by Burnett AND Bobby Hargis.

Why couldn't Baker remember which floor it was?
The affidavit was taken ten months after the event itself and six months after his WC testimony. It all seemed done and dusted but then, out of nowhere, he has suddenly got an FBI agent insisting on another affidavit. He couldn't quite remember which floor it was but when he read through the statement he remembered it was definitely the 2nd floor, so he corrected the mistake. No big deal. Some people seem to think Baker wasn't then sharpest tool in the shed at the best of times.
Why did Baker say that the man in the lunchroom was drinking a coke?
Because that's what he remembered happening.
The idea that Burnett just threw it in there is laughable.
As is the idea that the fleeing assassin decided to stop off for a coke.
As is the idea that Baker saw Oswald moving through the vestibule door window.

Oswald reportedly told the officers questioning him that he was having his lunch in the domino room around the time of the shooting (which is when he saw Jarman and Norman making there way around to the west elevator). He then went up to the 2nd floor lunchroom and had just purchased a coke when Baker came in.
If this is true we can dispense with the ridiculous notion that the fleeing assassin stopped off for a coke.
We can also dispense with the apparent impossibility of Baker seeing Oswald moving through the vestibule door window. It makes more sense that Baker moved over to the vestibule door, looked through the window and saw Oswald in the lunchroom at the coke machine.


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« Reply #279 on: February 21, 2025, 02:11:52 AM »

Bonnie Ray said he sat in the isle where his coke was and never went close to the sniper's nest.
I have a theory that Williams when looking for his friends would have checked all the windows because why wouldn't he check the windows overlooking Elm? and would have seen Oswald and perhaps stayed there with Oswald and had his lunch then went down when he heard his friends arrive. In fact the stories coming from these men was a little flexible as they got their stories straight. I reckon Williams who was black wanted no part of being with Oswald in the minutes before they assassination.
In fact the WC I believe share this same theory because when this came up at Williams testimony Dulles suddenly and unexpectedly brought up if Williams had trouble with the law, why at this precise time while questioning would Dulles try this tactic?

JohnM

This is quite an extraordinary theory for an LNer to have and I don't doubt for a second that you are out on your own with this one.
I can't see the likes of Tricky Dicky backing you up as far as this particular theory is concerned.
However, there is a lot of evidence to support this theory.
The most important evidence, by far, is that six of the first officers at the location of the shooting on the 6th floor reported seeing lunch remains in the southeast corner - Mooney, Hill, McCurley, Weatherford, Brewer and Haygood. A number of these officers describe seeing a partially eaten piece of chicken. There is also a small lunch sack and a bottle of Dr Pepper.
The back wall of the Sniper's Nest consisted of three stacks of boxes. Each stack was made up of four boxes but, because of the way the boxes were arranged, the middle stack was taller than the outer stacks. At least three of these first responders specifically place the lunch remains on top of one of the stacks of boxes that form the back wall of the Sniper's Nest. However, by the time Fritz arrived on the scene the partially eaten piece of chicken had been placed back inside the lunch sack and the lunch sack, along with the Dr Pepper bottle, had been moved about 10 yards away, near a two-wheeler trolley by the third set of windows from the east side of the 6th floor. This is where they were photographed by the DPD Crime Lab boys, and this is where Bonnie Ray Williams testified to the Warren Commission that he had his lunch.
It is to the great shame of the Warren Commission that the testimonies of the six first responders was ignored even though they completely contradicted the testimony of Bonnie Ray Williams, who may well have been coerced into agreeing that he left the remains where they were photographed. IMO the Commission knew that Bonnie Ray's lunch remains had been initially discovered on top of the Sniper's Nest but they ignored this fact because having Bonnie Ray Williams in the Sniper's Nest made everything way too complicated.
Bonnie Ray actually hints at being in the Sniper's Nest in his WC testimony when he is asked about having his lunch on the 6th floor:

Mr. Ball:
What did you sit on while you ate your lunch?

Mr. Williams:
First of all, I remember there was some boxes behind me. I just kind of leaned back on the boxes first. Then I began to get a little impatient, because there wasn't anyone coming up. So I decided to move to a two-wheeler.


He describes two different locations. In the first one there are some boxes behind him that he leans back on. This could be the back wall of the Sniper's Nest. He then describes moving to the two-wheeler trolley where he had his lunch but we know he didn't do that because his lunch remains were found on top of the Sniper's Nest.
We are supposed to believe that he sat on this uncomfortable metal trolley, squashed up against a dirty, closed window for almost half an hour.

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« Reply #279 on: February 21, 2025, 02:11:52 AM »