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Online Tom Graves

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #344 on: February 28, 2025, 10:24:22 PM »
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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #344 on: February 28, 2025, 10:24:22 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #345 on: March 01, 2025, 07:40:52 PM »
Why don't you provide us with a plausible alternative scenario, Iacoletti?

Otherwise known as "my implausible scenario is automatically correct until you come up with a better one".

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #346 on: March 01, 2025, 07:52:05 PM »
Do you even know what a "chain of custody" is?

Yes.  But apparently you don't.  A list of names cobbled together after the fact is not a chain of custody.

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• Officer McDonald confirms he removed the pistol from Oswald.

Ok so far....

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• Officer McDonald confirms he gave the pistol to Carroll

Bzzzt.  Nope, not corroborated by Carroll.

Mr. CARROLL. Yes, sir; and then when I got up close enough, I saw a pistol pointing at me so I reached and grabbed the pistol and jerked the pistol away and stuck it In my belt, and then I grabbed Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Who had hold of that pistol at that time?
Mr. CARROLL. I don't know, sir. I just saw the pistol pointing at me and I grabbed it and jerked it away from whoever had it and that's all, and by that time then the handcuffs were put on Oswald.

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• Officer Carroll confirms he kept the pistol on his person until he gave the pistol to Hill
• Officer Hill confirms he took the pistol from Carroll.

Mr. BELIN. And being that he had the keys to the car, Bob Carroll drove the vehicle.
Mr. HILL. As he started to get in the car, he handed me a pistol, which he identified as the one that had been taken from the suspect in the theatre.


Bzzzt.  Nope.  Carroll had no way of knowing that the pistol he had was "taken from the suspect".

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• Officer Hill confirms he kept the pistol and later scratched his name on the same pistol, the same pistol in evidence.

"later".  LOL. 

How would McDonald or Carroll (who also scratched their initials "later") know that this was the same gun either one of them handled earlier?  That's why it's not a chain of custody.

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• Oswald even admitted to various Police Officers he was carrying a pistol because since he knew he was caught with it, he had no choice but to admit the obvious.

Even if he did (and there's no proof of that), it doesn't tell you what pistol he admitted carrying.  According to the accounts of the interrogation, he admitted purchasing a gun in Fort Worth.

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• The revolver in evidence was ordered by Oswald and the address is the same PO Box that Oswald owned.

Irrelevant to the issue of chain of custody.

P.S.  "was ordered by Oswald".  LOL
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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #347 on: March 01, 2025, 08:06:45 PM »
I think Oswald thought of himself as quite clever to use the alias Hidell.

There's no evidence of Oswald ever using Hidell as an alias for himself.

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The Hidell name was definitely associated with his New Orleans PO Box but I believe that the corresponding Dallas PO documents were not found.

"Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did not indicate on his application that others, including an 'A . Hidell,' would receive mail through the box in question, which was Post Office Box 2915 in Dallas".  (25H859)

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #348 on: March 01, 2025, 11:26:09 PM »
Yes.  But apparently you don't.  A list of names cobbled together after the fact is not a chain of custody.

Ok so far....

Bzzzt.  Nope, not corroborated by Carroll.

Mr. CARROLL. Yes, sir; and then when I got up close enough, I saw a pistol pointing at me so I reached and grabbed the pistol and jerked the pistol away and stuck it In my belt, and then I grabbed Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Who had hold of that pistol at that time?
Mr. CARROLL. I don't know, sir. I just saw the pistol pointing at me and I grabbed it and jerked it away from whoever had it and that's all, and by that time then the handcuffs were put on Oswald.

Bzzzt.  Nope.  Carroll had no way of knowing that the pistol he had was "taken from the suspect".

"later".  LOL. 

How would McDonald or Carroll (who also scratched their initials "later") know that this was the same gun either one of them handled earlier?  That's why it's not a chain of custody.

Even if he did (and there's no proof of that), it doesn't tell you what pistol he admitted carrying.  According to the accounts of the interrogation, he admitted purchasing a gun in Fort Worth.

Irrelevant to the issue of chain of custody.

P.S.  "was ordered by Oswald".  LOL

The chain of custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_custody

Oswald confirmed to various Police Officers he was carrying a pistol
McDonald confirms he took the pistol from Oswald.
McDonald confirms he gave the pistol to Carroll.
Carroll confirms he gave the pistol to Hill.
Hill confirms he took the pistol from Carroll.
Hill confirms that he kept the pistol on his person until he inscribed it with his name.
The revolver in evidence has a paper trail leading directly to Oswald's PO Box.

Now John, tell me where in this confirmed "chain of custody" where there is any possibility where the pistol was substituted and don't forget there is a paper trail which has Oswald ordering and having a pistol sent to his PO Box which required pick-up from Railway Express's Dallas office.
By the way John, don't forget the only person who orders a pistol with an oversized barrel is someone who wants to get away with murder.

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #348 on: March 01, 2025, 11:26:09 PM »


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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #349 on: March 01, 2025, 11:50:11 PM »
There's no evidence of Oswald ever using Hidell as an alias for himself.

"Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did not indicate on his application that others, including an 'A . Hidell,' would receive mail through the box in question, which was Post Office Box 2915 in Dallas".  (25H859)

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There's no evidence of Oswald ever using Hidell as an alias for himself.

Seriously? So the "conspirators" invented an alias which added a redundant extra step which makes the entire process even more complicated, when they could have just used the name Oswald was born with?
The only person who invents an alias for himself is someone who wants to divert away from himself. DUH!

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"Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did not indicate on his application that others, including an 'A . Hidell,' would receive mail through the box in question, which was Post Office Box 2915 in Dallas".  (25H859)

Hilarious, it's real funny how selective you are with the FBI evidence.

Besides Holmes spells it out quite clearly that mail with the correct address is placed in your PO Box because what the heck is a postal worker gonna do, send it back to the sender? LOL!

Mr. LIEBELER. Now supposing that Oswald had not in fact authorized A. J. Hidell to receive mail here in the Dallas box and that a package came addressed to the name of Hidell, which, in fact, one did at Post Office Box 2915, what procedure would be followed when that package came in?
Mr. HOLMES. They would put the notice in the box.
Mr. LIEBELER. Regardless of whose name was associated with the box?
Mr. HOLMES. That is the general practice. The theory being, I have a box. I have a brother come to visit me. My brother would have my same name---well, a cousin. You can get mail in there. They are not too strict. You don't have to file that third portion to get service for other people there. I imagine they might have questioned him a little bit when they handed it out to him, but I don't know. It depends on how good he is at answering questions, and everything would be all right.


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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #350 on: March 01, 2025, 11:58:21 PM »
Tom Graves huh? - and here I thought it was the "Bill Chapman Show".
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Capasse's deductive reasoning skills are as usual "par excellence"! Hahahaha!

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #351 on: March 02, 2025, 12:54:58 AM »
Capasse's deductive reasoning skills are as usual "par excellence"! Hahahaha!

JohnM

Whatever happened to Bill?

I see the last time he was here was April 26, 2023.
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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #351 on: March 02, 2025, 12:54:58 AM »