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Offline Jonithan Carl

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« Reply #384 on: March 15, 2025, 08:12:09 AM »
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The Warren Commission was, in effect, the FBI investigation of the JFK assassination.
Less than 48 hours after the assassination Hoover let it be known that the outcome of the investigation was going to be that Oswald was the lone assassin.
This isn't a joke or an exaggeration - the outcome of the investigation was decided before the investigation had really got going.
The loyalty of FBI agents was not to the truth or justice or any of that...their loyalty was to the Bureau and the Bureau was Hoover.
Hoover was the FBI and the FBI was Hoover.

This is a very uncomfortable fact for Lone Nutters, who swallow down the Warren Commission's findings wholesale, because it pulls the rug out from under any notions of "truth".
Trying to present the Oswald-Did-It [ODI] theory as a result of the search for some kind of "truth" is a sick joke and the perpetuation of this sick joke is an indicator of a serious malfunction within society.

There is no more extreme mentality than that of the Lone Nutter.
The Warren Commission’s conclusions have been debated for decades, with many questioning the FBI’s role and Hoover’s influence. Whether one believes Oswald acted alone or not, skepticism about the investigation’s impartiality remains. True justice depends on transparency and accountability—key factors that continue to drive discussions about this case.
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« Reply #385 on: March 15, 2025, 09:52:17 AM »
The Warren Commission’s conclusions have been debated for decades, with many questioning the FBI’s role and Hoover’s influence. Whether one believes Oswald acted alone or not, skepticism about the investigation’s impartiality remains. True justice depends on transparency and accountability—key factors that continue to drive discussions about this case.

You can find the LBJ and Hoover tapes on YouTube, where Hoover is rambling on about how they've got their man, but they can't quite figure out what the Mexico City deal is about. LBJ is carefully listening, and it's obvious that he's not convinced that Hoover can wrap up the case and sell it to the public. LJB would rather go with Hoover's report, as he politely puts it, but then explains why he needs a blue ribbon commission to block other investigations into the case; the idiom he uses is a three-ring circus. It's pretty obvious where LBJ is headed.

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« Reply #386 on: March 27, 2025, 09:25:54 PM »
Even a full-blown civil or criminal trial ends up being simply the "opinion" of a judge or jury, and I've seen enough to know that those opinions are sometimes badly flawed. The fact that a matter has been litigated tells us little or nothing about the actual truth. The verdict of history is the consensus of those professionals who are most knowledgeable about the subject matter, simple as that. No one thinks historical investigation, research and analysis should be hamstrung by the rules and procedures of litigation. The verdict of history 60+ years after the JFKA is that Oswald acted alone. To change that verdict would require massive new and compelling evidence. A bushel of dubious Conspiracy Factoids and chain-of-custody arguments aren't going to do it.

Speaking of blather....

There is no "consensus of those professionals who are most knowledgeable about the subject".  And your so-called "verdict of history" is illusory.

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« Reply #387 on: March 27, 2025, 09:28:05 PM »
It would seem that Mitch can't or doesn't want to answer my question;

So, I'll just assume that his claim is bogus.

Yep.   Thumb1:

There is no evidence beyond Mitch's imagination that Carroll was in the presence of the gun the entire time, or that he had any basis whatsoever for identifying it as the same gun he handled.

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« Reply #388 on: March 29, 2025, 05:21:55 PM »
If I were in charge of the conspiracy, I don't think I would have done anything different.  Selectively release certain frames from the Zapruder Film which do not show the head going back and keep information from being released for a very long time as it has implications.  This satirical clip sums it up nicely.  We know the CIA was following LHO to Cuba, bankrolled a lot of exiles and have been carrying on various programs which meddle heavily in foreign affairs of other nations - as well as their own!



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Offline Lance Payette

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« Reply #389 on: March 29, 2025, 06:35:39 PM »
The Warren Commission’s conclusions have been debated for decades, with many questioning the FBI’s role and Hoover’s influence. Whether one believes Oswald acted alone or not, skepticism about the investigation’s impartiality remains. True justice depends on transparency and accountability—key factors that continue to drive discussions about this case.

You make an important point, Jonithan: The Warren Report does not define the LN narrative. Whether the WC was fair and objective and whether the LN is true are two entirely different issues.

The Warren Commission volumes are simply a vast body of evidence to be taken for what they're worth. The LN narrative, like any CT narrative, is constructed from all the available evidence and whatever inferences one draws from them.

It's kind of like someone who thinks OJ was guilty (me!) spending all his time railing against the jury rather than focusing on the evidence. What would be the point?

The Warren Report doesn't even have the status of a jury verdict. The WC may well have had an agenda, been under political pressure and time pressure, fudged some things, ignored some things, etc. To me, that is all pretty much irrelevant. In the time they had, the WC staff did an astounding amount of work and compiled an astounding body of evidence. Ditto for the HSCA, which almost entirely confirmed the WC with the exception of the last-minute, highly dubious "likely conspiracy, but we have no idea who" conclusion based solely on the Dictabelt.

If someone wants to criticize the WC, be my guest. I have no need to defend the WC. The LN narrative, or any CT narrative for that matter, must be constructed from the evidence and reasonable inferences. CTers' focus on the WC is really kind of a straw man insofar as the LN narrative is concerned.

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« Reply #390 on: March 29, 2025, 08:08:56 PM »
The Warren Commission’s conclusions have been debated for decades, with many questioning the FBI’s role and Hoover’s influence. Whether one believes Oswald acted alone or not, skepticism about the investigation’s impartiality remains. True justice depends on transparency and accountability—key factors that continue to drive discussions about this case.

   Rep Gerry Ford MOVED the JFK Back Wound to JFK's Neck. THAT all by itself destroys the credibility of the WC.

Offline Lance Payette

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« Reply #391 on: March 29, 2025, 10:38:32 PM »
   Rep Gerry Ford MOVED the JFK Back Wound to JFK's Neck. THAT all by itself destroys the credibility of the WC.

But wait: Rankin kept Ford's handwritten alteration, which was released by the ARRB in 1997 - why didn't he or some other WC stooge destroy it? Ford freely acknowledged it, although he tap-danced away from the obvious reason (i.e., to bolster the SBT). All the evidence regarding the back wound is there in the Warren volumes for all to see. The precise location is still debated, for that matter.

Ford, who was pretty much the FBI's Inside Guy on the WC, pulled a rather dumb sneaky and got caught with his pants down. So what? What does the "credibility" of the WC have to do with anything? The evidence is what it is. The back wound is located where it is. The precise location and its significance can be legitimately discussed and debated, but the Ford-altered sentence in the Warren Report is irrelevant. I would agree it makes Ford look like the not-too-bright sleaze I always thought he was, but by no means does it "destroy the credibility of the WC." This is just all-too-typical Conspiracy Hyperbole.


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