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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2025, 07:07:35 PM »
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Sorry, I've humored you past the breaking point. You are Exhibit A for why I have repeatedly sworn off forums such as this. Declare victory if you like, but you're simply a nutcase and not worth any more of my time.

Translation:  I can't respond to any of the points you made, so I am going to engage in posturing instead.

If you don't have the facts on your side, then pound the table.

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2025, 07:10:52 PM »
Why do you insist on being so dishonest, Oswald went home with Frazier each and every weekend but one, so much more than a mere "couple of times" and when Oswald's baby was born, he went to Irving on Monday afternoon and stayed till Tuesday morning.

So it was 4 times on a Friday.  Yawn.

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And the whole idea of going home on a weekend was so that Oswald could spend time with his family, like Friday night, all day Satu-rday and all day Sunday, so just spending a few hours with his children on Thursday night was hardly satisfactory.

Hardly satisfactory as decreed by "Mytton".  Therefore, Oswald killed Kennnedy.

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And especially just turning up without informing and clearing his visit with the owner of the house was just rude.

He was "rude", therefore he killed Kennedy.

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Btw, it's odd that you find the most inane things to be highly suspicious but this glaring anomaly you lie about and try to make excuses, that says a lot!

What's inane is what you consider to be evidence of murder.

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2025, 10:37:40 PM »
So it was 4 times on a Friday.  Yawn.

Hardly satisfactory as decreed by "Mytton".  Therefore, Oswald killed Kennnedy.

He was "rude", therefore he killed Kennedy.

What's inane is what you consider to be evidence of murder.

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So it was 4 times on a Friday.

Exactly, a set routine that was broken on the day Oswald retrieved his rifle.

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Hardly satisfactory as decreed by "Mytton".  Therefore, Oswald killed Kennnedy.
He was "rude", therefore he killed Kennedy.
What's inane is what you consider to be evidence of murder.

As proven by Lance and confirmed by Bugliosi, is that you haven't the faintest clue of what court accepted evidence actually is, but keep dreaming and spewing your layman paranoia and making a complete fool of yourself.

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2025, 04:59:10 PM »
"on the day Oswald retrieved his rifle".  LOL.

"Proven".  LOL.  People who don't have actual evidence of murder hope and fantasize that things like "being rude" are evidence of murder.

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2025, 07:01:29 PM »
"on the day Oswald retrieved his rifle".  LOL.
I know, don't you just HATE it when Nutters speculate like that? Here in Conspiracy World, it's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE he went to Ruth's for curtain rods no one ever saw again and made a 28" bologna sub he carried into the TSBD with one end cupped in his palm and the other under his armpit. It's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE the bag observed by Frazier and Randle contained both the curtain rods and the sub. It's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE these events were completely unconnected with the appearance of his rifle on the 6th floor. It's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE it was just bad luck on his part to do the curtain-rod-bologna-sub thing the very night before The Conspirators would plant his rifle. To suggest otherwise is to engage in the sort of unfounded speculation that is the very foundation of the LN narrative.

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2025, 07:01:29 PM »


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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2025, 11:58:21 PM »
I know, don't you just HATE it when Nutters speculate like that?

Speculate away, but don't pretend that speculation is fact.

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Here in Conspiracy World, it's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE he went to Ruth's for curtain rods no one ever saw again and made a 28" bologna sub he carried into the TSBD with one end cupped in his palm and the other under his armpit. It's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE the bag observed by Frazier and Randle contained both the curtain rods and the sub. It's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE these events were completely unconnected with the appearance of his rifle on the 6th floor. It's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE it was just bad luck on his part to do the curtain-rod-bologna-sub thing the very night before The Conspirators would plant his rifle. To suggest otherwise is to engage in the sort of unfounded speculation that is the very foundation of the LN narrative.

Nice strawman, but there is ZERO evidence that the package seen by Frazier contained a Carcano rifle with serial number C2766.  Or any rifle whatsoever.

ZERO.

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2025, 12:46:23 AM »
Speculate away, but don't pretend that speculation is fact.

Nice strawman, but there is ZERO evidence that the package seen by Frazier contained a Carcano rifle with serial number C2766.  Or any rifle whatsoever.

ZERO.
The testimonial evidence is that, at a minimum, Oswald carried a package that he said contained curtain rods and that was sufficiently long and rigid to cup in his palm and under his armpit. Based on their cursory observations, Frazier and Randle estimated the length at 27-28". Randle also said he was holding it in a way that it almost touched the ground. The negative evidence is that no package of curtain rods was found in the TSBD. Oswald, if we can believe the record, denied having spoken of curtain rods, placing a package in Frazier's car or taking a package into the TSBD (other than his lunch). 27 or 28 inches would indeed be too long (by some 8 inches) for the disassembled Carcano, and the rifle would be too long to cup in a palm and under an armpit. But, of course, the rifle was in fact found in the TSBD. (We could add that David Lifton once insisted he had a witness and her supervisor who heard Oswald say on a TSBD elevator that he was carrying a fishing pole, but we'll let it go.)

So, yes, there is a huge conflict in the testimony and evidence. Obviously, Oswald's otherwise puzzling trip to Ruth Paine's and the fact the rifle was found the next day are highly suggestive. Unless Frazier and Randle were flat-out lying for no apparent reason, Oswald was carrying a long, rigid package. The most plausible explanation, it seems to me, is that Frazier and Randle, despite their strong claims to the contrary, were simply wrong in their estimations of length and that Frazier was incorrect in his observation that the package was tucked under Oswald's armpit.

Yes, we don't know the package contained a rifle - or curtain rods, for that matter. But the scenario is not a complete blank slate, and reasonable inferences can be drawn. Sure, researchers of the quality of Pat Speer believe Oswald was actually carrying curtain rods. Given the totality of what is known, this is not as plausible to me as that he was carrying the disassembled rifle. How likely would it be that he concocted the curtain rod story, and then denied it (presumably because he knew there were no curtain rods), while conspirators were placing his rifle on the 6th floor to frame him? If there were curtain rods, why would he not have told the police where they were in the TSBD? This to me is another area where it's difficult to see how any conspiracy scenario makes any real-world sense.

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2025, 01:35:16 PM »
Sorry, I've humored you past the breaking point. You are Exhibit A for why I have repeatedly sworn off forums such as this. Declare victory if you like, but you're simply a nutcase and not worth any more of my time.

when you decide to be insulting and obnoxious that renders you not worthy of other peoples time . you have options to agree , to disagree , to refute , to offer rebuttal , as a lawyer you will understand that . you also have the option the right to not reply , to ignore . but you have no right to be nasty and insulting to anyone .

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2025, 01:35:16 PM »