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Online Zeon Mason

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2025, 04:49:07 PM »
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If Ruth was a conspirator, it might have been just as an informer. The CIA director and agency as a whole may have had  nothing to do with the assassination and may not have been aware exactly who might be an informant to the conspirator group of persons.

And it’s doubtful that CIA would eliminate one of their own without definite proof of being a mole or counterspy.

And a conspirator group sharing the same resolution that it was a necessary act to eliminate JFK probably also took some kind of oath never to reveal the truth.

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2025, 07:09:08 PM »
If Ruth was a conspirator, it might have been just as an informer. The CIA director and agency as a whole may have had  nothing to do with the assassination and may not have been aware exactly who might be an informant to the conspirator group of persons.

And it’s doubtful that CIA would eliminate one of their own without definite proof of being a mole or counterspy.

And a conspirator group sharing the same resolution that it was a necessary act to eliminate JFK probably also took some kind of oath never to reveal the truth.
For what reason? What did she and Michael get out of such an act? Ruth Paine was (I guess still is) a liberal Democrat, was pro-Kennedy, and not the type of person as a self-professed Quaker pacifist to join with essentially a far right wing putsch or treason. Again: treason. I don't think she would conspire with anyone to murder another person much less JFK.

Why did any of these subordinates/agents follow the orders to commit treason? Conspiracists have LBJ or Hoover or Dulles ordering this but never tell us how this was done. Who did they order to commit this act? Who carried it out? This is, again, treason; probably the greatest act of it in history. If they are discovered they will be disgraced forever. But nobody said no? Everyone went along? They were assured they wouldn't be caught? For the rest of their lives? Is this remotely possible? Would you do this?

Back to Ruth Paine. If you read Thomas Mallon's book on her, "Mrs. Paine's Garage", you'll see that she talked about going to Central America in the 1980s as part of a Quaker relief organization to help victims of the Contra war (she was accused by one person of working for the CIA at the time). She said she was disgusted with what the CIA was doing in Nicaragua and protested by withholding 25% of her taxes. That doesn't sound like a person who would mindlessly support the CIA. Wouldn't there be a number of people like this in the government? Who would be told to kill the President? People who liked JFK, liberal democrats. Perhaps not as liberal as Ruth Paine but certainly a Kennedy fan. None of them existed?

Ruth Paine is simply not, for me, the type of person - either politically or emotionally or psychologically - who'd want to kill JFK or be part of a conspiracy to do so. And then keep it quiet? Again, why? Unless one thinks she's pretending to hold these views all of these years. She's sort of a female Herbert Philbrick but in this case a right wing type. If not then why go along with this?

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2025, 07:32:08 PM »
Did somebody just say anything of significance?

Keep in mind that you're dealing with people who believe that "cop said so" makes anything conclusive.

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2025, 07:50:20 PM »
Keep in mind that you're dealing with people who believe that "cop said so" makes anything conclusive.

When it comes to the JFK assassination, KGB disinformation is much more reliable, right, Iacoletti?

E.g., "Clay Shaw was a fascist CIA agent."

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2025, 01:12:05 AM »
I think I agree with Steve. There  is not enough evidence to warrant that Ruth Paine was a  conspirator informer.  She  might  unwittingly have had some of her notes about Oswald being found by somebody pre event, but there is no evidence of that either. Therefore it was an unwarranted speculation on my part to suggest Ruth Paine was a conspirator and I apologize for that.

Plus, I actually use Ruth Paines WC testimony in favor of CT argument because of her observation of the rifle wrapped up in the blanket that was presented to her at her interview, as being not as”flat” as what she remembered seeing the shape of the blanket in the garage in Oct 63 ( she guesses it was Oct but she is not certain).



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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2025, 03:36:02 PM »
This OP is easily the dumbest I've seen in a while; let's hope this dude doesn't practice law anymore. Ruth Paine was, and still is, all in on the LN narrative, wasting no opportunity to trash talk Oswald. It would make zero sense to eliminate a LN (and Warren Commission) life-long loyalist. Same goes for Michael Paine. RP willingly cooked up all sorts of suspicious incidents tied to Oswald to fuel the official narrative. However, she never went over the top. Back in the day, she was fast and very smart. Most likely a low-level informant along with Michael. After separating from Michael, and probably even earlier, she was getting bored and looked to turn the excitement level up a notch by offering to keep tabs on the Oswalds. I think she honestly saw the opportunity to improve her language skills as well. I doubt she was aware of what was in store for Oswald at a higher level to qualify as a conspirator.

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2025, 04:50:30 PM »
Our contrarians are getting lazy.  Why haven't they argued that the evidence is insufficient to conclude that Ruth Paine is still alive just because "someone says so."  Leaving open the possibility that she was actually silenced by roving CIA death squads decades ago and replaced by a "double."  No one has ruled this possibility out with "conclusive evidence."  LOL.  We only have circumstantial evidence and the word of those who allegedly came into contact with a person claiming to be Ruth Paine.  That is sufficient to create false doubt in the contrarian "mind" in other contexts.   

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2025, 07:16:26 PM »
Our contrarians are getting lazy.  Why haven't they argued that the evidence is insufficient to conclude that Ruth Paine is still alive just because "someone says so."  Leaving open the possibility that she was actually silenced by roving CIA death squads decades ago and replaced by a "double."

Yet another ridiculous argument by "Richard".  Nobody believes that Ruth Paine is still alive just because someone says so.

Interesting also that "Richard" is the one here invoking CIA death squads and doubles.  Yet in Strawman "Smith's" fevered imagination, this nonsense is somehow supposed to prove that Oswald did it.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2025, 07:18:03 PM by John Iacoletti »

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
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