Trying out methods used by Dale Myers

[Charles Collins]

Amazing graphics. Very accurate.
I think MB theory is plausible, but it doesn't rule out second shooter.

Thank you Patrick. I wish there was an easy way for everyone to go through the process that I went through to create these graphics. Because actually experiencing that process in a 3D virtual world does tend to get rid of any doubts. But, it took a lot of tedious work that, sadly, most folks just don’t have the time & patience to do.

Once one realizes that the SBT is plausible, it typically changes their outlook on the whole situation.

[Andrew Mason]

Thanks Andrew. I will see what I can do with your requests. First, here is an image from approximately directly overhead that shows the two figures and their positions. The limo is positioned so that it is going down the slope of Elm Street at the Z161 position. So this isn't exactly at the same angle as directly overhead, but it is reasonably close.

I compared your overhead to Jerry Organ's model by overlaying them, keeping the right front door handle in the same position in both.  Since your overhead is not an orthographic projection the ends are a bit different but the middle should not be affected very much.  Here is what it shows:



The main differences I see:

1. slope of the side windows on the roof support
2. front to back distance of the back seat.
3. front to back and lateral position of JFK

For some reason you have JBC and JFK crossing their legs, which looks odd and unnatural to me, especially for JBC whose knees were elevated as his jump seat bottom is mounted on the floor.

[Charles Collins]

I compared your overhead to Jerry Organ's model by overlaying them, keeping the right front door handle in the same position in both.  Since your overhead is not an orthographic projection the ends are a bit different but the middle should not be affected very much.  Here is what it shows:



The main differences I see:

1. slope of the side windows on the roof support
2. front to back distance of the back seat.
3. front to back and lateral position of JFK

For some reason you have JBC and JFK crossing their legs, which looks odd and unnatural to me, especially for JBC whose knees were elevated as his jump seat bottom is mounted on the floor.

I tried to position the "camera directly above the center of the vehicle. If you draw two lines that connect the diagonal corners of the limo, they cross at the back edge of the parade bar and centerline of the car. It only takes slight angle differences to change the appearances. Sadly, the models I am using do not have any way to articulate the extremities or heads. So the crossed legs cannot be changed. We have no way to know how the legs were positioned based on the photographic record (as best I remember). So, I don't consider this to be a major problem.

[Zeon Mason]

Question: in Andrew Masons Z193 1st shot theory, where did the bullet that hit JFK in the high part of his back and exited  thru his throat go after exiting?

If the 2nd shot is around Z270, how does that shot hit JC in his left thigh when JFKs body is leaning left and Jackie is embracing him?

Could Dale Myers computer program work the 193 trajectory  and the Z270 trajectory out because I’m not sure that Andrew’s sketchy diagrams are that accurate.

I’m also questioning if a Z270 2nd shot that hits only JCs left thigh at 2000 ft/ sec would have stopped and caused only a shallow wound rather than going completely thru the leg and probably into the seat of Kellerman.

[Tom Graves]

Question: in Andrew Masons Z193 1st shot theory, where did the bullet that hit JFK in the high part of his back and exited thru his throat go after exiting?

He says after exiting JFK's throat it penetrated Connally's left thigh, somehow got its ass-end deformed, left a tiny lead fragment in JBC's femur, and ended up in Parkland Hospital as the bullet we know as CE-399.

[Andrew Mason]

Question: in Andrew Masons Z193 1st shot theory, where did the bullet that hit JFK in the high part of his back and exited  thru his throat go after exiting?

The trajectory and wound characteristics are consistent with the wound in JBC's thigh.

If the 2nd shot is around Z270, how does that shot hit JC in his left thigh when JFKs body is leaning left and Jackie is embracing him?

That makes no sense. JFK has already been reacting to his neck wound for several seconds by that point.

I’m also questioning if a Z270 2nd shot that hits only JCs left thigh at 2000 ft/ sec would have stopped and caused only a shallow wound rather than going completely thru the leg and probably into the seat of Kellerman.

According to all the evidence the second shot struck JBC in the right armpit.

[Zeon Mason]

Ok , so in Andrew Masons scenario, at about Z270 that’s the 2nd shot that goes past JFKs body yes? And that’s because JFK is kind of leaning leftwards towards Jackie at this point?

So this 270 shot goes into JCs back and then it exits and hits JC in his right wrist bone and goes thru the hand yes?

And if yes , then where did that Z270 bullet go?