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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2025, 10:37:27 AM »
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OK, here are the first 100 names:

Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza
Abraham Zapruder (filmed the assassination)
Bill Newman (witness)
Gayle Newman (witness)
Jean Hill (witness)
Mary Moorman (witness, took famous Polaroid)
Beverly Oliver (claimed to be the "Babushka Lady")
Orville Nix (filmed the assassination)
Charles Brehm (witness)
Amos Euins (witness)
James Tague (wounded near Dealey Plaza)
Police & Secret Service Officials
J.D. Tippit (Dallas police officer killed after JFK's assassination)
Marrion Baker (motorcycle officer, entered the TSBD immediately)
Sam Holland (railroad worker, saw suspicious activity on the grassy knoll)
Ed Hoffman (claimed to see a shooter on the knoll)
Seymour Weitzman (found the “Mannlicher-Carcano” rifle)
Roger Craig (Dallas deputy sheriff, controversial statements)
Earl Cabell (Dallas mayor, brother of CIA deputy director Charles Cabell)
Jesse Curry (Dallas police chief)
Forrest Sorrels (Secret Service, protected JFK)
Winston Lawson (Secret Service, planned the motorcade route)
People Connected to Lee Harvey Oswald
Marina Oswald (Lee Harvey Oswald’s wife)
Marguerite Oswald (Oswald’s mother)
Robert Oswald (Oswald’s brother)
Ruth Paine (Oswald’s acquaintance, let Marina live with her)
Michael Paine (husband of Ruth, worked in military contracting)
Buell Wesley Frazier (drove Oswald to work on Nov. 22, 1963)
Linnie Mae Randle (Buell Frazier’s sister, saw Oswald with a package)
George de Mohrenschildt (CIA-linked geologist, befriended Oswald)
Jeanne de Mohrenschildt (wife of George, knew Oswald)
Silvia Odio (claimed Oswald met with anti-Castro Cubans before assassination)
Intelligence & Government Figures
James Jesus Angleton (CIA counterintelligence chief)
David Atlee Phillips (CIA officer involved in anti-Castro operations)
E. Howard Hunt (CIA, later involved in Watergate)
Richard Helms (CIA director, knew of Oswald’s file)
Charles Cabell (Deputy CIA Director, fired by JFK)
William King Harvey (CIA, involved in anti-Castro plots)
John McCone (CIA director during the assassination)
Fletcher Prouty (Air Force, claimed CIA involvement)
Allen Dulles (ex-CIA director, on Warren Commission)
David Sanchez Morales (CIA operative allegedly linked to assassination)
Organized Crime & Cuban Exiles
Jack Ruby (killed Oswald)
Sam Giancana (Chicago mob boss, had links to the CIA)
Johnny Roselli (Mafia-CIA liaison)
Carlos Marcello (New Orleans mob boss, suspected of JFK plot)
Santo Trafficante Jr. (Tampa mob boss, involved in anti-Castro plots)
David Ferrie (pilot, knew Oswald, linked to New Orleans mob)
Clay Shaw (New Orleans businessman, accused by Garrison)
Sergio Arcacha Smith (anti-Castro activist)
Frank Sturgis (anti-Castro operative, later Watergate burglar)
Eladio del Valle (Cuban exile, allegedly linked to Ferrie)
Warren Commission & Other Government Figures
Earl Warren (Chief Justice, led Warren Commission)
Gerald Ford (Warren Commission member, later U.S. President)
Arlen Specter (proposed the "Single Bullet Theory")
Richard Russell Jr. (Senator, skeptical of Warren Report)
John Sherman Cooper (Senator, Warren Commission member)
J. Lee Rankin (Warren Commission lawyer)
Lyndon B. Johnson (JFK’s vice president, became president)
Robert F. Kennedy (Attorney General, later assassinated)
Nicholas Katzenbach (Deputy Attorney General, pushed for lone gunman theory)
Herbert Hoover (FBI director, controlled investigation)

Additional Eyewitnesses & Researchers
Mary Pinchot Meyer (JFK mistress, murdered, had CIA links)
Beverly Oliver (claimed to be "Babushka Lady")
Eugene Dinkin (NSA cryptographic operator, claimed foreknowledge)
Chauncey Holt (claimed to be a "tramp" at Dealey Plaza, CIA ties)
Richard Sprague (House Select Committee investigator)
Dr. Charles Crenshaw (Parkland doctor, disputed official account)
Malcolm Perry (Parkland doctor, initially described throat wound as entry wound)
William Greer (Secret Service driver of JFK’s limo)
Roy Kellerman (Secret Service agent in JFK limo)
Clint Hill (Secret Service agent, jumped onto JFK’s car)
Jack Dougherty (TSBD employee, possibly near Oswald)
Harold Norman (TSBD worker, heard shots from above)
Eddie Piper (TSBD janitor, saw Oswald before shooting)
Julia Ann Mercer (saw men with rifles near Dealey Plaza)
Gordon Arnold (claimed to be near the knoll, saw suspicious activity)
Aubrey Rike (handled JFK’s body at Parkland)
Richard Randolph Carr (saw suspicious man flee TSBD)
James Files (claimed to be second shooter, controversial figure)
J. Walton Moore (CIA officer in Dallas, allegedly linked to Oswald)
Victor Marchetti (CIA officer, skeptical of lone gunman theory)
Ted Shackley (CIA operative, linked to anti-Castro operations)
John Martino (mobster, claimed conspiracy knowledge)
E. Howard Hunt Jr. (CIA officer, linked to various covert operations)
Louis Bloomfield (Canadian businessman, suspected intelligence links)
Joseph Adams Milteer (ultra-right activist, allegedly predicted JFK’s death)
Paul Kangas (private investigator, researched JFK case)
Richard Nagell (ex-intelligence, claimed to know about Oswald)


Suspicious Deaths of Key Witnesses
Dorothy Kilgallen (journalist investigating Ruby, died mysteriously)
Bill Hunter (journalist, shot in police station)
Jim Koethe (journalist, murdered in home invasion)
Gary Underhill (intelligence insider, shot himself under suspicious circumstances)
Thomas Hale Boggs (Warren Commission member, disappeared in plane crash)
Buddy Walthers (Dallas deputy sheriff, died in suspicious circumstances)
Lee Bowers (witness, saw activity on the grassy knoll, died in car crash)
Charles Harrelson (hitman, claimed knowledge of JFK assassination)
George Krutilek (mob accountant, found dead)
John Roselli (mobster, found murdered in a barrel)
Richard Cain (Chicago cop linked to the mob, murdered)
Joseph Milteer (far-right extremist, predicted JFK assassination in advance)
Hale Boggs (Congressman, Warren Commission member, plane disappeared)

Of course, there are more. Some previously mentioned.

Do you think Harrelson's being convicted of murdering an anti-Mafia judge for the Mafia was just "The Deep
State" putting him away?

Why haven't any of the people in the top two lists died under mysterious circumstances / been killed under suspicious circumstances yet?

Or have they?
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Re: JFK Assassination computer analysis video!
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2025, 11:38:37 AM »
It only takes a handful of them to have been eliminated for the odds against a conspiracy to become extreme.

If, out of a group of 50 people, 5 of them win the lottery in the same year, you can conclude that it is almost certain, beyond reasonable doubt, there is foul play. The fact that the other 45 do not win, does not alter this.

For the witnesses, one can assume that it was not necessary to eliminate the others. If they were all eliminated, suspicions would be overwhelming and the scheme would collapse.

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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2025, 11:59:18 AM »
It only takes a handful of them to have been eliminated for the odds against a conspiracy to become extreme.

If, out of a group of 50 people, 5 of them win the lottery in the same year, you can conclude that it is almost certain, beyond reasonable doubt, there is foul play. The fact that the other 45 do not win, does not alter this.

For the witnesses, one can assume that it was not necessary to eliminate the others. If they were all eliminated, suspicions would be overwhelming and the scheme would collapse.

Sorry, Dude.

You make no sense to me.

Take this sentence, for example:

"It only takes a handful of them to have been eliminated for the odds against a conspiracy to become extreme."

WTF does "them" mean here?

WTF does "eliminated mean" -- death, or being removed from a list?

WTF does "odds against a conspiracy become extreme" mean?

And this one:

"For the witnesses, one can assume that it was not necessary to eliminate the others."

WTF does "for the witnesses" mean here?

. . . . . . .

Regardless, did I suggest that ALL of the witnesses should have been "eliminated" by the evil, evil "Deep State" / evil, evil "National Security State"?

No, I didn't. Why not say "too many," or some such thing, instead?

In other words, why the hyperbole?

Rhetorical question: Were only the most important witnesses "eliminated," or were they chosen randomly? Was just the right number of them (not too many, not too few) "eliminated" to effectively put The Fear of God in all of the others?

. . . . . . .

PS You want a strange death? Look into how former CIA officer Edward Ellis Smith died.

Hint: Smith was the dead drop setter-upper for CIA's spy, GRU Colonel Pyotr Popov in Moscow who was "honey trapped" and recruited by the KGB in 1956. Former CIA officer Tennent H. Bagley says in his 2007 Yale University Press book, Spy Wars, that Smith betrayed Popov to high-level KGB officer Vladislav Kovshuk in Washington DC movie houses in early 1957, but author John M. Newman (you've heard of him, right?) says it was Angleton's confidant, mentor and mole-hunting superior, Bruce Leonard Solie, who met with Kovshuk in those movie houses and that Smith just provided logistical support.

FWIW, Smith went on to become a scholar at the Hoover Institution, an officer in the Commonwealth Club, and a bank vice-president.
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2025, 12:20:49 PM »
In a debate, it's often said that when one resorts to negative, personal remarks, it's a sign their argument is weak. Let's keep the discussion focused on the ideas rather than personal comments.

I am happy to rephrase my explanation if you find it difficult to understand.

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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2025, 12:36:32 PM »
In a debate, it's often said that when one resorts to negative, personal remarks, it's a sign their argument is weak. Let's keep the discussion focused on the ideas rather than personal comments.

I am happy to rephrase my explanation if you find it difficult to understand.

I've expanded my previous post for you.

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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2025, 12:39:41 PM »
I am happy to rephrase my explanation if you find it difficult to understand.

Not difficult, impossible,

So yeah, rephrase all of it.
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2025, 02:01:30 PM »
Rephrasing:

It only takes a handful of those connected to the assassination who held material knowledge of the events died within a few years of the assassination to have been killed for the probability of a cover-up, implying a conspiracy, become extremely high.
 
If, out of a group of 50 people, 5 of them win the lottery in the same year, you can conclude that it is almost certain, beyond reasonable doubt, there is foul play. The fact that the other 45 do not win, does not alter this.

Considering the witnesses who did not die, one can assume that it was not necessary for them to be to killed. If all witnesses were, suspicions would be overwhelming and the scheme would collapse.

Mathematical consideration of probabilities prevents us jumping to conclusions – Just because something "feels" true doesn't mean it is. Probability helps us weigh different explanations and decide which is most likely, objectively. When we use logic, we rely on facts and structured arguments. This helps avoid emotional thinking and keeps discussions focused on evidence. This is how, for example and NTSB investigation would be run, where finding probable cause is crucial to future safety.

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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2025, 03:41:31 PM »
Of all the kooky claims supporting a conspiracy, the "mysterious deaths" justification is among the most absurd.  Imagine the roving bands of death squads knocking people off left and right.  Sometimes years or even decades after the assassination.  Long after almost all of these people have told the authorities everything that they had to tell.  And the death squads add untold numbers of new conspirators to carry out these acts.  These people would then need to be silenced by someone else.  And on and on exponentially until there would be no one left to bury the dead. 
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