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The Man On The 6th Floor
« on: March 11, 2025, 10:34:21 PM »
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Leading up to the assassination four eye-witnesses saw a slender, white male on the 6th floor of the TSBD building.
They were surely talking about the same man.

“To my best description, a  man in his early thirties, fair complexion, slender but neat, neat slender, possibly 5-foot 10… “
[Warren Commission testimony of Howard Brennan]

“Uh---he had a slender face and neck---uh---and he had a light complexion----he was a white man.”
[Warren Commission testimony of Ronald Fischer]

"He was rather slender in proportion to his size...He appeared to be fair complexioned, not fair, but light complexioned, but dark hair…I would say either a light Latin or a Caucasian."
[Warren Commission testimony of Arnold Rowland]

"White man...about average. Possibly thin."
[Warren Commission testimony of Robert Edwards]


Obviously, the Nutters want this man to be Oswald and believe that the description - white, slender male - fits Oswald so perfectly that it couldn't apply to anyone else ( ::))
However, once we begin to examine their descriptions of this man more closely it starts to become clear that the man they are talking about is not Oswald at all.

CLOTHES

"Light colored clothes, more of a khaki color…not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side.”
[WC - Howard Brennan]

“...he had on an open-neck shirt…It was light in color; probably white..."
[WC - Ronald Fischer]

"He had on a light shirt, a very light-colored shirt, white or a light blue or a color such as that. This was open at the collar. I think it was unbuttoned about halfway, and then he had a regular T-shirt, a polo shirt under this, at least this is what it appeared to be."
[WC - Arnold Rowland]

"Light colored shirt, short sleeve and open neck."
[WC - Bob Edwards]


The collective statements of the four eye-witnesses reveal that the man on the 6th floor was wearing a shirt that was so light coloured it was almost white, best described as an off white colour. The shirt was open at the collar.



This is the shirt Oswald wore to work that day. There is zero chance this shirt can be described as white or almost white (note to Nutters - don't bother with the 'all colours become white in daylight' argument)

HAIR



One of Oswald's most distinguishing features was his receding hairline. Both Fischer and Brennan observed the man on the 6th floor looking towards the direction of the triple underpass meaning Oswald's receding hairline would have been fully on view. It is notable that neither man mentions a receding hairline. Neither does Bob Edwards. And Arnold Rowland makes the following observation - “It didn't appear as if he had a receding hairline…it was either well-combed or close cut.”
It seems unthinkable that Oswald's most prominent feature went unnoticed.
Clearly, the man on the 6th floor didn't have a receding hairline (but he did have a bald spot a few inches above his hairline according to Amos Euins. Another thing Oswald didn't have)

COMPLEXION

This might seem unusual but it is a detail often overlooked.
Three of the witnesses - Brennan, Fischer and Rowland - describe the man as having a fair/light complexion:

“To my best description, a  man in his early thirties, fair complexion, slender but neat, neat slender, possibly 5-foot 10… “
[WC - Brennan]

“Uh---he had a slender face and neck---uh---and he had a light complexion----he was a white man.”
[WC - Fischer]

“Seemed, well, I can't state definitely from my position because it was more or less not fully light or bright in the room. He appeared to be fair complexioned, not fair, but light complexioned, but dark hair.”
[WC - Rowland]


Ronald Fischer expands on the importance of this detail:

“Yes; one thing--and that is in the picture he looked like he hadn't shaved in several days at least. And--uh--I don't know whether at that distance, looking at him from the street in the School Book Depository Building--if I could have been able to---if I could have seen that. I think, if he had been unshaven in the window, it would have made his complexion appear--well---rather dark; but I remember his complexion was light; that is, unless he had just a light beard.”

Oswald had a dark, unshaven complexion. Fischer had a very good look at the man on the 6th floor but never believed it was Oswald.

« Last Edit: March 11, 2025, 11:13:35 PM by Dan O'meara »

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Re: The Man On The 6th Floor
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2025, 12:49:11 AM »
Thanks for the thread Dan but you couldn't be more wrong!

1) Yes, Oswald was average height, slender and white there is little deviation amongst the eyewitnesses. These characteristics are by far the most important and hence the consistency.

2) Oswald's shirt appeared lighter when in direct sunlight, you've been told this before. This photo has deep shaded shadows, therefore this photo hasn't been artificially lightened.



Note the background from street level, it appears quite dark being contrasted with the relatively lightened brickwork.



This lighting phenomenon is what is known as an optical illusion and objects of the exact same shade can appear to differ wildly as compared to the contrasted background. In the following image both "A" and "B" are the exact same shade but witness the difference when contrasted with varying adjacent shades! Like night and day. eh!



3) And most absurd of all, a man has a fair complexion regardless of facial stubble. LOL!

4) BTW, as for your comment about what Fischer thought??, I'll let the reader make their own conclusion. Sheesh!

Mr. FISCHER - Well, they actually showed me two pictures--one of Lee Harvey Oswald, and one of Jack Ruby.
Mr. BELIN - All right. And what did you say?
Mr. FISCHER - I told them that that could have been the man.
Mr. BELIN - Now, which one did you say could have been the man?
Mr. FISCHER - Lee Harvey Oswald. That that could have been the man that I saw in the window of the School Book Depository Building, but that I was not sure. It's possible that a man fit the general description that I gave---but I can't say for sure.
Mr. BELIN - Was there anything different---do you remember the picture?--- between the picture you saw and the man you saw in the window?
Mr. FISCHER - Yes; one thing--and that is in the picture he looked like he hadn't shaved in several days at least. And--uh--I don't know whether at that distance, looking at him from the street in the School Book Depository Building--if I could have been able to---if I could have seen that. I think, if he had been unshaven in the window, it would have made his complexion appear--well---rather dark; but I remember his complexion was light; that is, unless he had just a light beard.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/fischer.htm

4a) Fischer didn't see Oswald in full sunlight.

Mr. BELIN - Was the sun shining on his face when you saw him in the window or not-or don't you remember?
Mr. FISCHER - No; uh--no the sun wasn't shining on his face. He was back in the shadow of the window.


JohnM

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Re: The Man On The 6th Floor
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2025, 02:47:10 AM »
Actually that photo of Oswald I’d say looks like a face that’s unshaven.
That photo of the light reddish brownish shirt, I could see how it’s possible somebody could describe it as khaki color.

The T-shirt Oswald was wearing wasn’t a clean T-shirt and his long sleeve shirt was probably open enough to see the T-shirt.
 
Agree with JohnM that if the other darker brown shirt Oswald was wearing at the theater could appear that light tone ( in that photo at least) then the other  lighter reddish shirt I think could appear similar to khaki color if sun was on it. (may need to test that though cause it might appear just a lighter shade of red.) 😳

Oswald was 5’9” and about 135 lb so a description of 5’10” and “slender” is pretty darn close.

Arnold Rowland was viewing a man at the  SW corner window  of TSBD from about as far away as the  Hughes camera perspective view of TSBD. So it’s doubtful Rowland could have seen that slight bit of receding hairline of Oswald in a mere 10 second duration glimpse.

Lately I’ve gravitated towards a simple conspiracy theory (involving LBJ simply having knowledge about Oswald ) and Oswafd is the sole TSBD shooter but has an accomplice who aided him to use the east elevator  from 6th floor, which allowed Oswald to bypass Dorothy Garner unseen. It’s possible he could run to the east elevator in 25 sec if not having to hide the rifle. The accomplice takes Oswald  to 2nd floor level by 50 sec post shots then returns east elevator to 5th floor locking it there by 70-75 secs thus in time for  the elevator to have been seen by Truly looking up the shaft.

The accomplice then goes up the 5th floor stair to 6th floor, and hides the rifle after wiping it clean of prints, in the boxes near the staircase.
The accomplice then walked back down the staircase to the 5th floor and this time took the west elevator down at about the moment that Baker/Truly have just bypassed Garner on the 4th floor without seeing her ( probably she must have moved back the 4th floor office after seeing them “come up” the stairs) . So the accomplice on the west elevator was able to bypass Baker,Truly and Garner unseen.

Note: this scenario might also work with some other shooter than Oswald,if the reason Oswald was seen by Baker at 90 sec post shots thru the outer door window is because Oswald had come up from 1st floor entrance lobby to get his jacket or a coke from the 2nd floor lunchroom . The timing would be more complicated though for the shooter to get thru the lunchroom, and out of TSBD without being seen by Adams  Stiles or Baker/Truly or Oswald himself coming up from lobby and using the outer hallway to get to the lunchroom.

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