Any CIA disinformation agents here?

[Jake Maxwell]

I'm not sure anyone in the US government is concerned about the lives of people in Russia or Cuba who might have been connected to Oswald or JFK's assassination in any way.

The most likely concern to explain all the secrecy is to protect the reputation of prominent families here, or the reputation of the agencies who pulled off a coup and pinned it on Oswald.

When the top law enforcement official dictates a memo THE DAY AFTER the assassination, that says:

(On November 23, 1963) "The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin." - J. Edgar Hoover

THE DAY AFTER!

If that doesn't concern you... Whew!... I'm not sure any rational conversation about this can be productive... and I wouldn't suspect you to accept a conspiracy at the top level if MORE evidence is produced to implicate the guilty parties.

Did I say, THE DAY AFTER!?

Yes, THE DAY AFTER!

Hoover had no concern to discover the truth of the matter. A rush to judgment and a rush to pin it all on Oswald.
If that doesn't concern you and make you want to investigate Hoover and others at the top level of government, you have little or no concern for truth and justice... and no concern for the principle of "innocent, until proven guilty."

There's your evidence of conspiracy, if you choose to accept it.

[Richard Smith]

I'm not sure anyone in the US government is concerned about the lives of people in Russia or Cuba who might have been connected to Oswald or JFK's assassination in any way.

The most likely concern to explain all the secrecy is to protect the reputation of prominent families here, or the reputation of the agencies who pulled off a coup and pinned it on Oswald.

When the top law enforcement official dictates a memo THE DAY AFTER the assassination, that says:

(On November 23, 1963) "The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin." - J. Edgar Hoover

THE DAY AFTER!

If that doesn't concern you... Whew!... I'm not sure any rational conversation about this can be productive... and I wouldn't suspect you to accept a conspiracy at the top level if MORE evidence is produced to implicate the guilty parties.

Did I say, THE DAY AFTER!?

Yes, THE DAY AFTER!

Hoover had no concern to discover the truth of the matter. A rush to judgment and a rush to pin it all on Oswald.
If that doesn't concern you and make you want to investigate Hoover and others at the top level of government, you have little or no concern for truth and justice... and no concern for the principle of "innocent, until proven guilty."

There's your evidence of conspiracy, if you choose to accept it.

The US is not interested in the lives of intelligence sources who aided them?  I doubt that would give much confidence to anyone who is thinking about providing the US with information in the future when they find out the policy is to reveal their names at some point.  There were legitimate reasons to convince the public that Oswald was guilty.  First and foremost, because he WAS guilty.  He did it.  The evidence leaves no doubt.  Second, you would not WWIII to break out because some paranoid conspiracy theorists convinced the public that Russia or Cuba was involved when they were not.  Those are very legitimate and compelling reasons. 

[Jake Maxwell]

The US is not interested in the lives of intelligence sources who aided them?  I doubt that would give much confidence to anyone who is thinking about providing the US with information in the future when they find out the policy is to reveal their names at some point.  There were legitimate reasons to convince the public that Oswald was guilty.  First and foremost, because he WAS guilty.  He did it.  The evidence leaves no doubt.  Second, you would not WWIII to break out because some paranoid conspiracy theorists convinced the public that Russia or Cuba was involved when they were not.  Those are very legitimate and compelling reasons.

So, here you are taking up for Hoover, saying he had "legitimate reasons to convince the public that Oswald was guilty."

And the first reason is "because he [Oswald] WAS guilty. He did it. The evidence leaves no doubt."

Do you really think Hoover had all the evidence within ONE DAY to justify condemning Oswald? And that Hoover knew from the evidence he did it, and there was "no doubt?"

It's people who rush to judgment like this who are a threat to national security.

No... you've got the narrative wrong. Hoover was not trying to protect the US... He was most likely trying to protect himself and his cronies from being exposed.
To hell with justice, let Oswald be condemned.

[Tim Nickerson]

The lunatic fringe at the Ed Forum - notably one of the current moderators, but he's not alone - is obsessed with the idea that internet forums and specifically JFKA forums are literally teeming with paid CIA disinformation agents posing as Lone Nutters. The EF loons worship at the altar of someone named Cass R. Sunstein. This was a new name to me, but apparently he suggested the idea years ago.

Because I'm sane, I find this notion wildly implausible. If it's true, hopefully Elon and DOGE will soon get to the bottom of it and stop the CIA from wasting $30 billion annually on internet trolls so the money can be better spent on a fleet of Tesla cybertrucks.

In the meantime, however, yours truly would like to get in on the gig if possible. Are any of my fellow Lone Nutters here on the payroll? How much are you paid? Who do I contact? Just send me a PM if outing yourself in public would violate your contract and cause your name to be added to the list of Mysterious JFK-Related Deaths.

Let's be serious here, folks: If the CIA actually had the inclination and resources to sponsor legions of internet trolls, do you really think said trolls would be posing as Lone Nutters? Or would they pose as absolute lunatics, people who believe things like Harvey & Lee and Prayer Person and Jim Garrison and Other Assorted Nonsense, thereby embarrassing the JFKA community and causing all CT efforts to be laughed at?

That's right, The Caped Factoid Buster hereby accuses the EF loons and anyone here of similar CT ilk of being CIA disinformation agents! Prove you aren't or shut up. I'm looking at you, EF forum moderators, because there is no way anyone this side of an asylum actually believes the absurdities you purport to believe. Promoting Harvey & Lee is, ipso facto, proof that you receive $750 a month from the CIA and have a red telephone with a direct line to Langley. Prove you don't!

(On the small chance that any fellow Lone Nutters actually are on the payroll, however, do let me know how it works because the price of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Ale has simply gone through the roof since The Donald was elected.)

Anyway, this video was recently posted at EF and will confirm your darkest suspicions:

To be frank, the pay is not very good. I could do a lot better in the private sector.

[John Mytton]

So, here you are taking up for Hoover, saying he had "legitimate reasons to convince the public that Oswald was guilty."

And the first reason is "because he [Oswald] WAS guilty. He did it. The evidence leaves no doubt."

Do you really think Hoover had all the evidence within ONE DAY to justify condemning Oswald? And that Hoover knew from the evidence he did it, and there was "no doubt?"

It's people who rush to judgment like this who are a threat to national security.

No... you've got the narrative wrong. Hoover was not trying to protect the US... He was most likely trying to protect himself and his cronies from being exposed.
To hell with justice, let Oswald be condemned.

All the agencies and people accused of being involved with a conspiracy were not connected, so how was this planned?

Hoover and FBI were behind it?
The CIA had Oswald as an employee?
The rich Texas oilmen profited?
The Dallas Police planted evidence?
The SS were relaxed with their security and stole the body?
The medical autopsy was a fraud?
Various private citizens lied, for what reason? Fame maybe, Fortune definitely not.

Whereas on the other hand if it's just Oswald, there is no need for any accusations, Oswald did it with a side helping of a little human incompetence which is to be expected with an investigation with so many hands involved. In fact having so many differing agencies would have kept everyone as honest as they possibly could be, because who knew who was looking over their shoulder!

JohnM

[Lance Payette]

All the agencies and people accused of being involved with a conspiracy were not connected, so how was this planned?

Hoover and FBI were behind it?
The CIA had Oswald as an employee?
The rich Texas oilmen profited?
The Dallas Police planted evidence?
The SS were relaxed with their security and stole the body?
The medical autopsy was a fraud?
Various private citizens lied, for what reason? Fame maybe, Fortune definitely not.

Whereas on the other hand if it's just Oswald, there is no need for any accusations, Oswald did it with a side helping of a little human incompetence which is to be expected with an investigation with so many hands involved. In fact having so many differing agencies would have kept everyone as honest as they possibly could be, because who knew who was looking over their shoulder!

JohnM

Larry Hancock's point of long ago is one of the most rational things to come out of the CT community: There undoubtedly was a post-assassination cover-up because of the massive incompetence in allowing the JFKA to happen. It was a CYA cover-up, not an assassination-related cover-up. The post-assassination cover-up and the assassination itself were two entirely separate events. And the post-assassination cover-up was not a conspiracy per se but rather multiple agencies covering their own incompetence. Being freed of the need to connect the assassination itself to the scrambling that occurred thereafter, and of the need to view the post-assassination scrambling as a massive conspiracy, is one key to rationality in thinking about the JFKA.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

From the day Oswald arrived in Dallas on a bus from Mexico City - October 3 - to the day of the assassination almost two months later (50 days to be exact) no one in the government knew where he lived during the week. They had no idea what he did or went during those weekdays and nights. And it was only on October 29 that Hosty said he learned that he was living with the Paine's on weekends. And the first time he ever talked to Oswald was in the police station after his arrest.

So for almost two months he was off their radar.

As to the alleged decades old coverups (plural): let's put it this way. The idea that Republicans and Democrats, who hate each other like two religious sects, could or would agree to cover this up all of these years, and remain silent about it, is utterly and completely bonkers. It cannot be done. Human nature and politics and the way people behave forbids it. I can see how some conspiracy believers in the UK or abroad could see this happening. They don't know what we know, how the government on all levels operate. But no American who knows how the two parties loathe one another, who know about the bureaucracy we have, the personality conflicts, the turf fights, the incompetence of how government works (as I noted above on their non-monitoring of Oswald) should believe this.

But somehow they do.

[Jake Maxwell]

CORRECTION:
According to the 1976 Senate Select Committee investigating the investigation of the JFK assassination, the words of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, stating his concern that something be issued to convince the public that Oswald killed the president, came from a recorded phone conversation between Hoover and White House Aide Walter Jenkins, on November 24, immediately following Oswald's murder by Jack Ruby...
The thing I am most concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzen-
bach, is having something issued so we can convince the
public that Oswald is the real assassin.[/size]