Any CIA disinformation agents here?

[Richard Smith]

So, here you are taking up for Hoover, saying he had "legitimate reasons to convince the public that Oswald was guilty."

And the first reason is "because he [Oswald] WAS guilty. He did it. The evidence leaves no doubt."

Do you really think Hoover had all the evidence within ONE DAY to justify condemning Oswald? And that Hoover knew from the evidence he did it, and there was "no doubt?"

It's people who rush to judgment like this who are a threat to national security.

No... you've got the narrative wrong. Hoover was not trying to protect the US... He was most likely trying to protect himself and his cronies from being exposed.
To hell with justice, let Oswald be condemned.

The Dallas PD had enough evidence within 24 hours to charge Oswald with the crime.  The basic evidence is unchanged 60 years later.  Oswald did it.

[Jake Maxwell]

The Dallas PD had enough evidence withing 24 hours to charge Oswald with the crime.  The basic evidence is unchanged 60 years later.  Oswald did it.

No... the basic cover-up is unchanged...
Whoever says they had enough evidence within 24 hours to condemn Oswald, is condemning the Dallas PD with a rush to judgment...
Here's some helpful reading on Hoover... https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4211.0.html

[Richard Smith]

No... the basic cover-up is unchanged...
Whoever says they had enough evidence within 24 hours to condemn Oswald, is condemning the Dallas PD with a rush to judgment...
Here's some helpful reading on Hoover... https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4211.0.html

Let's see.  Within 24 hours they knew that LHO worked in the building from which the shots were fired, that his rifle was found there, that he had fled the scene, got a gun and killed a police officer, and that he was a political nut.  A rock-solid case based on the evidence.  There was no rush to judgment.  There was an assessment of the evidence which overwhelmingly linked Oswald to the crime for which he was charged within 24 hours.  That is unchanged to this day.

[Martin Weidmann]

Let's see.  Within 24 hours they knew that LHO worked in the building from which the shots were fired, that his rifle was found there, that he had fled the scene, got a gun and killed a police officer, and that he was a political nut.  A rock-solid case based on the evidence.  There was no rush to judgment.  There was an assessment of the evidence which overwhelmingly linked Oswald to the crime for which he was charged within 24 hours.  That is unchanged to this day.

Utter BS

Within 24 hours they knew that LHO worked in the building from which the shots were fired, that his rifle was found there, that he had fled the scene, got a gun and killed a police officer, and that he was a political nut.

At best, that would have made Oswald a suspect.

There was an assessment of the evidence which overwhelmingly linked Oswald to the crime for which he was charged within 24 hours.

Charging somebody for a crime doesn't automatically mean that person's guilty.

There was no rush to judgment.

LOL

[John Mytton]

Let's see.  Within 24 hours they knew that LHO worked in the building from which the shots were fired, that his rifle was found there, that he had fled the scene, got a gun and killed a police officer, and that he was a political nut.  A rock-solid case based on the evidence.  There was no rush to judgment.  There was an assessment of the evidence which overwhelmingly linked Oswald to the crime for which he was charged within 24 hours.  That is unchanged to this day.

Agreed.
I will also add, evidence discovered by Satur.day evening of conciseness of guilt.

Getting on and off a slow bus.
Getting out of his cab way past his rooming house.
Hiding in a theatre.
Resisting arrest.
Trying to kill more Police.
Two FBI agents Hosty and Bookout were at the Friday and Satur.day interrogations and heard Oswald deny purchasing or owning the rifle and Oswald denying the backyard photos and refusing to take a polygraph.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Agreed.
I will also add, evidence discovered by Satur.day evening of conciseness of guilt.

Getting on and off a slow bus.
Getting out of his cab way past his rooming house.
Hiding in a theatre.
Resisting arrest.
Trying to kill more Police.
Two FBI agents Hosty and Bookout were at the Friday and Satur.day interrogations and heard Oswald deny purchasing or owning the rifle and Oswald denying the backyard photos and refusing to take a polygraph.

JohnM

Would you like to live in a country where anybody can be declared guilty by the highest law enforcement officer before any credible investigation has taken place?

[John Mytton]

Would you like to live in a country where anybody can be declared guilty by the highest law enforcement officer before any credible investigation has taken place?

I don't know what time on Satur.day the LBJ Hoover call took place but this is what Hoover had to work with by the Satur.day evening.

Rifle found on 6th floor belonged to Oswald.
The blanket that contained the rifle was empty on the afternoon of the assassination.
Robert A Frazier just before midnight on the 22nd received CE399 and two bullet fragments from the Limo and started work the next morning and determined that all fragments passed through Oswald's rifle.
The shells in the sniper's nest were exclusively linked to Oswald's rifle.
Linnie Mae Randall told the FBI that the bag was 3 feet long.
Frazier says Oswald took a long bag to work.
The Bag found on 6th floor with Oswald's prints was found on the 6th floor.
Oswald immediately flees and takes a bus, get's off after a couple of blocks then takes a cab to a location way past his Rooming house.
Oswald kills a cop.
Oswald resists arrest and tries to kill more cops.
Oswald has an alias that bought the rifle.
Oswald denies buying a rifle.
Oswald denies owning a rifle.
Oswald refusing to take a polygraph.
Oswald says that somebody put his head on someone else's body in the backyard photo.
Oswald defected to Russia.

I think Hoover had every right to declare Oswald as guilty because in anyone's book this is powerful solid evidence that so far has withstood the test of time, CT's have rightfully questioned some of this evidence but so far haven't disproved any of it, much less provide a viable credible alternative.

JohnM
 

[Jake Maxwell]

I don't know what time on Satur.day the LBJ Hoover call took place but this is what Hoover had to work with by the Satur.day evening.

Rifle found on 6th floor belonged to Oswald.
The blanket that contained the rifle was empty on the afternoon of the assassination.
Robert A Frazier just before midnight on the 22nd received CE399 and two bullet fragments from the Limo and started work the next morning and determined that all fragments passed through Oswald's rifle.
The shells in the sniper's nest were exclusively linked to Oswald's rifle.
Linnie Mae Randall told the FBI that the bag was 3 feet long.
Frazier says Oswald took a long bag to work.
The Bag found on 6th floor with Oswald's prints was found on the 6th floor.
Oswald immediately flees and takes a bus, get's off after a couple of blocks then takes a cab to a location way past his Rooming house.
Oswald kills a cop.
Oswald resists arrest and tries to kill more cops.
Oswald has an alias that bought the rifle.
Oswald denies buying a rifle.
Oswald denies owning a rifle.
Oswald refusing to take a polygraph.
Oswald says that somebody put his head on someone else's body in the backyard photo.
Oswald defected to Russia.

I think Hoover had every right to declare Oswald as guilty because in anyone's book this is powerful solid evidence that so far has withstood the test of time, CT's have rightfully questioned some of this evidence but so far haven't disproved any of it, much less provide a viable credible alternative.

JohnM

Oswald is led to believe he is being brought in on a plot to kill the president, and Oswald volunteers to bring his rifle to the Depository...

There you go, that answers about half of your allegations...

Oswald realizes at some point following the assassination, that he might be falsely accused of shooting the gun that he brought to the Depository, so he tries to flee the scene...

Oswald denies all allegations believing an attorney will come to his aid, and that his one phone call - which was diverted from his "handler" and never went through, according to the testimony of switchboard operators - would give him assistance...

Switchboard operators at the Dallas police station claimed that, on the night of November 23, 1963, Oswald tried to make a long-distance call to Raleigh, North Carolina.
According to Ruth Paine’s testimony, Oswald never made a completed call.
Two switchboard operators later stated that they were told not to put the call through and to never speak of it.


No question about it... and most all reasonable skilled attorneys would agree... Hoover and all who tried to "close the case" within 48 hours and pronounce Oswald guilty, acting alone... rushed to judgment, causing great and reasonable suspicion that the accusing parties just might be accomplices in a frame-up...