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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #112 on: March 20, 2025, 04:04:44 PM »
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I already posted the quote and source note. Here is more from “History Will Prove Us Right” by Howard Willens, page 46:

The commission had earlier deferred the question whether it should issue a public statement after it had received the FBI report. Before appointing the commission, President Johnson had announced that the FBI report would be made public. Based on their initial review of the FBI report, the commission members did not wish to endorse or reject the bureau’s conclusions until the commission itself had examined the underlying materials and conducted the additional investigation necessary. Consequently, after adjournment that day, Warren told reporters that the commission would not be issuing any summary of the FBI report or any statement about it. That struck me as a wise decision. Any endorsement of the report at that early stage of the commission’s existence would have thoroughly compromised its mission, in light of the widespread skepticism about the FBI report and the outstanding questions not addressed by it. Hoover was displeased. He complained to his lieutenants that Warren’s insistence on seeing the supporting materials for the report was an insult. He described Warren’s comment as “entirely unwarranted” and could have been better phrased “so as not to leave the impression, at least by innuendo, that the FBI had not done a thorough job.”51

51. Church Committee Report, 48

By the way, I have (and have read) an autographed copy of Tague’s book. Yes, Shaneyfelt did help find and document the bullet mark on the south curb of Main Street near where Tague was standing. I showed some of that work in my “The Other Single Bullet Theory” thread. But I do not believe that the idea of the original single bullet theory was first derived from Shaneyfelt’s work.

How does this provide any source for an independent investigation of the murder or the SBT?
The only source of evidence the WC had was the FBI. WC only saw what they showed them.

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #113 on: March 20, 2025, 04:21:52 PM »

The FBI also carried CE 399 back to Parkland Hospital to show it to the witnesses in June. The DPD showed the bag to Wesley Frazier. It is not so unusual for witnesses to be shown evidence. You are freaking out about nothing unusual at all.

The FBI also carried CE 399 back to Parkland Hospital to show it to the witnesses in June

Really? There is no FD 302 for this visit, Odum denies it ever took place and Tomlinson is on record saying that he was only shown a bullet once, by SAC Shanklin in December 1963,

The DPD showed the bag to Wesley Frazier.

Yes, they did, on Friday evening at the police station. The bag never left the building.

It is not so unusual for witnesses to be shown evidence. You are freaking out about nothing unusual at all.

What is it? "not so unusual" or "nothing unusual"? Make your mind up!

As you clearly are a WC apologist there isn't anything I can say that you will accept.


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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #114 on: March 20, 2025, 04:31:20 PM »
"This "Tentative Outline" was attached to a "Progress Report" dated January 11, 1964, from Commission Chairman Earl Warren to the other Commission members, and reveals the extent to which the Commission's conclusions were formulated prior to its investigation."

https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PG/PGappA.html
The source of this evidence is the FBI Investigation.
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #115 on: March 20, 2025, 04:35:27 PM »
How does this provide any source for an independent investigation of the murder or the SBT?
The only source of evidence the WC had was the FBI. WC only saw what they showed them.


Again, the WC had the authority to do its own investigation. And it did so. Here is another small example of the WC exercising that authority. They had plenty of other sources than the FBI.

Snip from “History Will Prove Us Right” by Howard Willens, page 50:

Beginning on December 20, 1963, I devoted the next three weeks to assisting Rankin in getting the commission staffed and organized. He asked that I review all applications we received and prepare recommendations of qualified candidates to fill our younger lawyer slots, reserving the selection of senior lawyers to Warren and himself. We implemented the commission’s desire for underlying investigative materials by getting letters out to a long list of federal agencies requesting documents and information about any relationship the agencies might have had with Oswald, his wife Marina, his family, or his associates. I began to prepare an outline of the overall investigation for his consideration, building on the earlier effort by criminal division lawyers. And, as the FBI began to provide the underlying supporting materials, I undertook to review them, however superficially, in an initial effort to determine where they fell within the range of the commission’s work, so that they could be duplicated and ready for distribution to our lawyers when they arrived.57

I even underlined the part where the WC went directly to other sources than the FBI so that it would stand out for you.

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #116 on: March 20, 2025, 04:40:31 PM »

Again, the WC had the authority to do its own investigation. And it did so. Here is another small example of the WC exercising that authority. They had plenty of other sources than the FBI.

Snip from “History Will Prove Us Right” by Howard Willens, page 50:

Beginning on December 20, 1963, I devoted the next three weeks to assisting Rankin in getting the commission staffed and organized. He asked that I review all applications we received and prepare recommendations of qualified candidates to fill our younger lawyer slots, reserving the selection of senior lawyers to Warren and himself. We implemented the commission’s desire for underlying investigative materials by getting letters out to a long list of federal agencies requesting documents and information about any relationship the agencies might have had with Oswald, his wife Marina, his family, or his associates. I began to prepare an outline of the overall investigation for his consideration, building on the earlier effort by criminal division lawyers. And, as the FBI began to provide the underlying supporting materials, I undertook to review them, however superficially, in an initial effort to determine where they fell within the range of the commission’s work, so that they could be duplicated and ready for distribution to our lawyers when they arrived.57

I even underlined the part where the WC went directly to other sources than the FBI so that it would stand out for you.

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Again, the WC had the authority to do its own investigation

But they didn't do it and relied on the FBI for all evidence requests
"They found the man. There is nothing more to do. The Commission supports their conclusions, and we can go on home and that is the end of it."

You forgot this part:
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...as the FBI began to provide the underlying supporting materials,...

Tentative Outline | Jan. 11 1964
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PG/PGappA.html

This came from Chief Justice Earl Warren, I would guess it was given to him by DOJ
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #117 on: March 20, 2025, 04:50:48 PM »
We are supposed to believe that the fantasy conspirators didn't have enough on their plate assassinating the president in broad daylight, framing Oswald for the crime, covering up the involvement of anyone else including retrieving any such evidence from the authorities, but they also need to place Oswald on a bus that takes him absolutely nowhere and advances the plot not one iota?  To do this they have to find an old lady willing to lie about his presence of the bus.  How to make this convincing?  Ah yes, claim she recognized his shirt because it had a hole in it.  Quick like a bunny obtain the shirt and cut a hole in it.   No worries that he was arrested and filmed in that shirt before the world press.  That makes perfect sense.  So clever these conspirators.  Putting on that bus that gets stuck in traffic was a stroke of genius.  LOL. 

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #118 on: March 20, 2025, 04:55:30 PM »
We are supposed to believe that the fantasy conspirators didn't have enough on their plate assassinating the president in broad daylight, framing Oswald for the crime, covering up the involvement of anyone else including retrieving any such evidence from the authorities, but they also need to place Oswald on a bus that takes him absolutely nowhere and advances the plot not one iota?  To do this they have to find an old lady willing to lie about his presence of the bus.  How to make this convincing?  Ah yes, claim she recognized his shirt because it had a hole in it.  Quick like a bunny obtain the shirt and cut a hole in it.   No worries that he was arrested and filmed in that shirt before the world press.  That makes perfect sense.  So clever these conspirators.  Putting on that bus that gets stuck in traffic was a stroke of genius.  LOL.

You create your own argument that even doesn't exist.
No one is saying more than half of what you printed here.

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #119 on: March 20, 2025, 04:57:58 PM »
You create your own argument that even doesn't exist.
No one is saying more than half of what you printed here.

So Oswald was on the bus as confirmed by a witness?  He had a hole in his shirt that she recognized etc.  No one here is saying that was the product of lies and fakery on behalf of the authorities to frame Oswald?  No one?  LOL.

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