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Online Charles Collins

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2025, 02:04:59 PM »
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Absolutely they are. Their basis for the SBT was from the FBI report as a beginning point.
They had no independent investigators to conclude the SBT.  It was FBI Shaneyfelt.


The point is that the Warren Commission began questioning the FBI’s conclusions from the very beginning. And they insisted on having the raw evidence on which to base their own conclusions. The Warren Commission went to Dealey Plaza and conducted their own investigation in order to verify that the single bullet theory was correct. That is completely opposite to what you are claiming.

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2025, 02:09:32 PM »

The point is that the Warren Commission began questioning the FBI’s conclusions from the very beginning. And they insisted on having the raw evidence on which to base their own conclusions. The Warren Commission went to Dealey Plaza and conducted their own investigation in order to verify that the single bullet theory was correct. That is completely opposite to what you are claiming.

"...insisted on having the raw evidence..."
Is there a document for this?

What? their own investigation? They followed Shaneyfelt's conclusion of the SBT
Is there a WC document or meeting that they discussed this investigation?  - It is not in Executive session.
Please don't quote a book some 30+ years too late
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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2025, 02:15:01 PM »
Carolyn Walther to FBI:
"This man was standing in about the middle of the window. In this same window, to the left of this man, she could see a portion of another man standing by the side of the man with a rifle. This other man was standing erect, and his head was above the opened portion of the window. As the window was very dirty, she could not see the head of this second man. She is positive this window was not as high as the sixth floor. This second man was apparently wearing a brown suit coat, and the only thing she could see was the right side of the man, from about the waist to the shoulders."  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/exhibits/ce2086.htm

Richard Carr to Shaw trial:
"The same man that I saw here in this window was with the three men that I told you a minute ago, they came out
from behind the School Book Depository, got in the station wagon, one man crossed the street and then came down
this side of Houston Street and turned onto Commerce Street."

"The FBI came to my house—there were two of them—and they said they heard I witnessed the assassination
and I said I did. They told me, "If you didn't see Lee Harvey Oswald up in the School Book Depository with a rifle,
you didn't witness it." I said, “ Well, the man I saw on television that they tell me is Lee Harvey Oswald was not
in the window of the School Book Depository. That’s not the man.” And [one of the agents] said I better keep my mouth shut.
He did not ask me what I saw, he told me what I saw."

More than one man in the window

??

Carr saw 1 man in the window! There was not four men in the window. Carr's story in the Shaw trial goes from three men emerging from behind the Depository to four?

Q: What did the man in the window look like?
A: He had on a hat, a felt hat, a light hat, he had on heavy-rimmed glasses, dark, the glasses were heavy-rimmed, and heavy ear pieces on his glasses.


Q: North being the top of the photomap, north is the top as you have indicated?
A: North is the top, and it was headed in this direction towards the railroad tracks, and immediately after the shooting there was three men that emerged from behind the School Book Depository


THE COURT: You may explain.
A: The same man that I saw here in this window was with the three men that I told you a minute ago, they came out from behind the School Book Depository

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/carrshaw.htm

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2025, 02:23:38 PM »
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Carr saw 1 man in the window! There was not four men in the window. Carr's story in the Shaw trial goes from three men emerging from behind the Depository to four?

Q: What did the man in the window look like?
A: He had on a hat, a felt hat, a light hat, he had on heavy-rimmed glasses, dark, the glasses were heavy-rimmed, and heavy ear pieces on his glasses.


Q: North being the top of the photomap, north is the top as you have indicated?
A: North is the top, and it was headed in this direction towards the railroad tracks, and immediately after the shooting there was three men that emerged from behind the School Book Depository


THE COURT: You may explain.
A: The same man that I saw here in this window was with the three men that I told you a minute ago, they came out from behind the School Book Depository

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/carrshaw.htm

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Then saw more than one man run out of back of TSBD - and they all got into a car together.....

"The same man that I saw here in this window was with the three men that I told you a minute ago, they came out
from behind the School Book Depository, got in the station wagon, one man crossed the street and then came down
this side of Houston Street and turned onto Commerce Street."

"And [one of the agents] said I better keep my mouth shut. He did not ask me what I saw, he told me what I saw."
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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2025, 02:27:04 PM »
https://jfk.boards.net/post/7692/thread

The page you linked to is full of misinformation and total garbage. Whoever wrote it, is a crackpot!

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2025, 02:28:50 PM »
Here's another one:

Johnny Powell, was an inmate in the Dallas County Jail, on a 3 day lock up for vagrancy. He was seventeen years old on November 22nd.
His cell was on the 6th floor at the corner of Houston & Elm St., where he and other inmates, had a corner view of the 'sniper's nest' at TSBD.
In 1978, he told Dallas Reporter, Earl Golz, "...he watched two men with a rifle on the 6th floor of TSBD across the street..."
"When he looked the men were "fooling with" a scope on a rifle." They were "darker than light", with, "brownish type work clothes.."

In Sept.'64 one of Jack Ruby's attorneys, Stanley Kaufman, made a suggestion to Commission Assistant Counsel,
Leon Herbert, that the prisoners, "...had a good view of what took place..." "it might be helpful to the Commission to
know that there were people in jail who saw the actual killing." That suggestion was ignored.

Powell, corroborates the others. More than one person in the window, with a darker than white complexion, and light brown clothing

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7692
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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2025, 02:31:36 PM »
"...insisted on having the raw evidence..."
Is there a document for this?

What? their own investigation? They followed Shaneyfelt's conclusion of the SBT
Is there a WC document or meeting that they discussed this investigation?  - It is not in Executive session.
Please don't quote a book some 30+ years too late


The reference note #42 in the quote from Willens’ book that I already posted reads:

Warren Commission, Executive Session Transcript, 2/16/63, 11-12, RIf 179-10001-10002; JFK Summary Report 1, 18.

Additionally:

The Willens book is based on his contemporary journal that he kept and updated regularly during his time with the Warren Commission. If this interests you, you can watch a very lengthy multi-day interview that the Sixth Floor Museum did with Howard Willens about that journal. The Sixth Floor Museum also has online a copy or transcript of his original journal for anyone to review.
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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2025, 02:34:33 PM »

The reference note #42 in the quote from Willens’ book that I already posted reads:

Warren Commission, Executive Session Transcript, 2/16/63, 11-12, RIf 179-10001-10002; JFK Summary Report 1, 18.

Additionally:

The Willens book is based on his contemporary journal that he kept and updated regularly during his time with the Warren Commission. If this interests you, you can watch a very lengthy multi-day interview that the Sixth Floor Museum did with Howard Willens about that journal. The Sixth Floor also has online a copy or transcript of his original journal for anyone to review.

There was no independent investigation of the SBT.  WC followed the recommendations of FBI Shaneyfelt

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Re: A hole in Bledsoe's story?
« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2025, 02:34:33 PM »