A hole in Bledsoe's story?

[Martin Weidmann]

The questions should be:

Why wouldn’t they bring the actual shirt along?

Why wouldn’t they want to show this shirt to Bledsoe and any others who saw LHO that day?

Why is this supposed to be something sinister (in your imagination)?

What is wrong with your thinking?

Why wouldn’t they bring the actual shirt along?

You seem to be under the impression that there is nothing abnormal about FBI agents carrying pieces of evidence around, when in fact it's not normal at all.
Your opinion is just as wacky as the one you have about the chain of custody.

Why wouldn’t they want to show this shirt to Bledsoe and any others who saw LHO that day?

Except, they didn't show it to others. They only showed it to Bledsoe and it could be (and is) construed as witness tampering.

What is wrong with your thinking?

Nothing, but I'm afraid you will never understand that.

[Michael Capasse]

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On 22nd November, 1963, Carr was working on the seventh floor of the new courthouse building on the corner of Houston Street in Dealey Plaza. Just before President John F. Kennedy was shot Carr saw a heavy-set man with horn-rimmed glasses and a tan sport jacket on the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository.
After the shooting Carr saw the man emerge from the building. Carr followed the man and later told the FBI: "This man, walking very fast, proceeded on Houston Street south to Commerce Street to Record Street.
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcarrR.htm

Carolyn Walther lived in Dallas, Texas and on 22nd November, 1963, saw the motorcade of President John F. Kennedy from Elm Street. She later claimed that saw two men firing at Kennedy from the Texas School Book Depository.
She gave this information to the FBI. According to her testimony: "I saw a man with a gun, and there was another man standing to his right. I could not see all of this man, and I couldn't see his face. The other man was holding a short gun. It wasn't as long as a rifle. He was holding it pointed down, and he was kneeling in the window, or sitting. His arms were on the window. He was holding the gun in a downward position, and he was looking downward... I said the man was on the fourth or fifth floor, and I still feel the same way."
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwalther.htm

JohnM

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7692/thread

[Charles Collins]

Another snip from “History Will Prove Us Right” by Howard Willens, page 42-42:

The commission had a long discussion about the FBI report and its annexes, which the members had received a week earlier. Warren and Russell noted that virtually everything contained in the FBI report had already appeared in the press. One major issue that came up right away was the bureau’s preliminary finding regarding the bullets that struck President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally. The FBI concluded that two bullets had struck the president and a third had wounded Connally. To support this assessment, the FBI relied in part on the initial, but inaccurate, information from Parkland Hospital that the first bullet that hit Kennedy had not exited from his body. As captured in the transcript of the meeting, the members did not react favorably. BOGGS: “There is nothing in there about Governor Connally.” CHAIRMAN: “No.” COOPER: “ And whether or not they found any bullets in him.” MCCLOY: “This bullet business leaves me confused.” CHAIRMAN: “It’s totally inconclusive.” […] MCCLOY: “I think you ought to have the autopsy documents.” CHAIRMAN: “By all means we ought to have the medical reports.” McCloy reminded members that the FBI had been under considerable pressure to complete the report.42 Warren proposed that the commission request all agencies submitting reports to provide the underlying investigative materials on which they were based. He told the members that after reading the FBI report he had the feeling that “unless we had the raw materials that went into the making of this report and had an opportunity to examine those raw materials and make our own appraisal, that any appraisal of this report would be little or nothing.” He added that the commission should continue to get such raw materials as they are obtained from the agencies so that it could be kept current regarding ongoing investigations. The commission unanimously approved his motion and followed this practice with respect to all the summary reports submitted by the FBI, CIA, and Secret Service. By emphasizing its need to see the basic investigative materials—the interview reports, the ballistic and other scientific analyses, and key documents—the commission was driving home the message that it alone had the responsibility to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions.43

This is not, I repeat not, depending solely on the FBI for their information.

[Michael Capasse]

Another snip from “History Will Prove Us Right” by Howard Willens, page 42-42:

The commission had a long discussion about the FBI report and its annexes, which the members had received a week earlier. Warren and Russell noted that virtually everything contained in the FBI report had already appeared in the press. One major issue that came up right away was the bureau’s preliminary finding regarding the bullets that struck President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally. The FBI concluded that two bullets had struck the president and a third had wounded Connally. To support this assessment, the FBI relied in part on the initial, but inaccurate, information from Parkland Hospital that the first bullet that hit Kennedy had not exited from his body. As captured in the transcript of the meeting, the members did not react favorably. BOGGS: “There is nothing in there about Governor Connally.” CHAIRMAN: “No.” COOPER: “ And whether or not they found any bullets in him.” MCCLOY: “This bullet business leaves me confused.” CHAIRMAN: “It’s totally inconclusive.” […] MCCLOY: “I think you ought to have the autopsy documents.” CHAIRMAN: “By all means we ought to have the medical reports.” McCloy reminded members that the FBI had been under considerable pressure to complete the report.42 Warren proposed that the commission request all agencies submitting reports to provide the underlying investigative materials on which they were based. He told the members that after reading the FBI report he had the feeling that “unless we had the raw materials that went into the making of this report and had an opportunity to examine those raw materials and make our own appraisal, that any appraisal of this report would be little or nothing.” He added that the commission should continue to get such raw materials as they are obtained from the agencies so that it could be kept current regarding ongoing investigations. The commission unanimously approved his motion and followed this practice with respect to all the summary reports submitted by the FBI, CIA, and Secret Service. By emphasizing its need to see the basic investigative materials—the interview reports, the ballistic and other scientific analyses, and key documents—the commission was driving home the message that it alone had the responsibility to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions.43

This is not, I repeat not, depending solely on the FBI for their information.

Absolutely they are. Their basis for the SBT was from the FBI report as a beginning point.
They had no independent investigators to conclude the SBT.  It was FBI Shaneyfelt.

[Martin Weidmann]

Don't you find that strange?

The Dallas Police Department and District Attorney decided there was enough evidence to charge LHO with two murders within 12-hours of the assassination. When all the evidence points to LHO, and only LHO, that is the logical conclusion. The only thing I find strange is why, over 60-years later, people are still skeptical.


The Warren Commission was nothing more than a rubber stamp for Hoover's predetermined outcome - that Oswald was the lone assassin.

That is simply not true. It was apparently what Hoover himself would have preferred. But the Warren Commission and its staff took their assignment very seriously. Willens’ read their report before it even went to the White House. I already posted what he wrote about his reading of it. The creation of the Warren Commission ensured that Hoover would not have the final word. You don’t have to look very hard to see that this is true.

The Dallas Police Department and District Attorney decided there was enough evidence to charge LHO with two murders within 12-hours of the assassination.

Charging somebody with a crime doesn't automatically make them guilty. Any investigator will tell you that frequently investigations ultimately yield different results than what was at first assumed.

When all the evidence points to LHO, and only LHO, that is the logical conclusion.

They were in no position to conclude in such a short time period that the evidence only pointed to LHO. There is no way they could have eliminated everybody else at the time they charged Oswald.

They jumped to a conclusion.

[John Mytton]

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7692/thread

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Richard Carr, ..... told the FBI ...... stories of more than one man in the window.

BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: You can say what you said.
RICHARD RANDOLPH CARR: I thought he was a Secret Agent man or an FBI man.
Q: What did the man in the window look like?
RICHARD RANDOLPH CARR: He had on a hat, a felt hat, a light hat, he had on heavy-rimmed glasses, dark, the glasses were heavy-rimmed, and heavy ear pieces on his glasses.
Q: Go ahead.
RICHARD RANDOLPH CARR: He had on a tie, he had on a light shirt, a tan sport coat.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/carrshaw.htm

JohnM

[Charles Collins]

Why wouldn’t they bring the actual shirt along?

You seem to be under the impression that there is nothing abnormal about FBI agents carrying pieces of evidence around, when in fact it's not normal at all.
Your opinion is just as wacky as the one you have about the chain of custody.

Why wouldn’t they want to show this shirt to Bledsoe and any others who saw LHO that day?

Except, they didn't show it to others. They only showed it to Bledsoe and it could be (and is) construed as witness tampering.

What is wrong with your thinking?

Nothing, but I'm afraid you will never understand that.

The FBI also carried CE 399 back to Parkland Hospital to show it to the witnesses in June. The DPD showed the bag to Wesley Frazier. It is not so unusual for witnesses to be shown evidence. You are freaking out about nothing unusual at all.

[Michael Capasse]

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On 22nd November, 1963, Carr was working on the seventh floor of the new courthouse building on the corner of Houston Street in Dealey Plaza. Just before President John F. Kennedy was shot Carr saw a heavy-set man with horn-rimmed glasses and a tan sport jacket on the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository.
After the shooting Carr saw the man emerge from the building. Carr followed the man and later told the FBI: "This man, walking very fast, proceeded on Houston Street south to Commerce Street to Record Street.
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcarrR.htm

Carolyn Walther lived in Dallas, Texas and on 22nd November, 1963, saw the motorcade of President John F. Kennedy from Elm Street. She later claimed that saw two men firing at Kennedy from the Texas School Book Depository.
She gave this information to the FBI. According to her testimony: "I saw a man with a gun, and there was another man standing to his right. I could not see all of this man, and I couldn't see his face. The other man was holding a short gun. It wasn't as long as a rifle. He was holding it pointed down, and he was kneeling in the window, or sitting. His arms were on the window. He was holding the gun in a downward position, and he was looking downward... I said the man was on the fourth or fifth floor, and I still feel the same way."
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwalther.htm

JohnM

Carolyn Walther to FBI:
"This man was standing in about the middle of the window. In this same window, to the left of this man, she could see a portion of another man standing by the side of the man with a rifle. This other man was standing erect, and his head was above the opened portion of the window. As the window was very dirty, she could not see the head of this second man. She is positive this window was not as high as the sixth floor. This second man was apparently wearing a brown suit coat, and the only thing she could see was the right side of the man, from about the waist to the shoulders."  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/exhibits/ce2086.htm

Richard Carr to Shaw trial:
"The same man that I saw here in this window was with the three men that I told you a minute ago, they came out
from behind the School Book Depository, got in the station wagon, one man crossed the street and then came down
this side of Houston Street and turned onto Commerce Street."

"The FBI came to my house—there were two of them—and they said they heard I witnessed the assassination
and I said I did. They told me, "If you didn't see Lee Harvey Oswald up in the School Book Depository with a rifle,
you didn't witness it." I said, “ Well, the man I saw on television that they tell me is Lee Harvey Oswald was not
in the window of the School Book Depository. That’s not the man.” And [one of the agents] said I better keep my mouth shut.
He did not ask me what I saw, he told me what I saw."

More than one man in the window