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Online Tom Graves

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« Reply #120 on: April 03, 2025, 10:20:53 AM »
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Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.

1) Let's say that, somehow knowing with absolute certainty that CE-399 caused neither JFK's nor JBC's wounds and having heard that it had allegedly been found by in Parkland Hospital by Tomlinson in Parkland Hospital, who had allegedly given it to Wright, who had allegedly given it to Johnsen, who had allegedly given it to Rowley, who had allegedly given it to Todd (who scratched his initial on it), 1) why do you think it was shot through Oswald's short-rifle, and 2) what is its significance in the JFK Assassination case?

2) Tomlinson, Johnsen, and Rowley refused to identify seven months later, or were unable to identify seven months later for the simple reason that it was seven months later and they hadn't put their initials on it?

3) If I understand your theory correctly, you believe that the bullet that struck JBC's wrist fragmented into large pieces and left about five small fragments in the wound, itself. If I'm right about that, how do you explain the fact that none of the test bullets that were fired through the wrists of cadavers fragmented into large pieces?
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« Reply #121 on: April 03, 2025, 10:24:45 AM »

It certainly was magic, the way it appeared out of nowhere.

So you think that they just winged it by planting that slightly deformed bullet in a hope that its core loss would match the shrapnel found in Connally?

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« Reply #122 on: April 03, 2025, 10:28:09 AM »
So you think that they just winged it by planting that slightly deformed bullet in a hope that its core loss would match the shrapnel found in Connally?

He thinks it appeared magically, and he doesn't want to think about it.
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« Reply #123 on: April 03, 2025, 12:08:23 PM »
He thinks it appeared magically, and he doesn't want to think about it.

So what is the LNer fan's take on the large fragment than fell out of Connally's thigh?

The largest fragment deflected away from the wrist and lodged itself in JBC's thigh. As he was being moved from his stretcher to the examining table it fell on the floor making a noise similar to a "wedding band" hitting the floor. This large fragment of bullet was picked up by a nurse who showed it to Henry Wade who was there visiting his good freind Connally. Wade told the nurse to give the bullet to a police officer. Apparently, she put the large bullet fragment in a small envelope and gave it to Texas Highway Patrolman Bob Nolan. At some point on it's journey this large bullet fragment magically transformed into four small bullet fragments.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #124 on: April 03, 2025, 12:26:50 PM »
So what is the LNer fan's take on the large fragment than fell out of Connally's thigh?

Are you serious?

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« Reply #125 on: April 03, 2025, 01:51:05 PM »
He thinks it appeared magically, and he doesn't want to think about it.

   Freudian that even You would use the word "Magic". "Magic Bullet" anybody?

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« Reply #126 on: April 03, 2025, 03:59:24 PM »
Are you serious?

Yes. I'd like to know why that incidence is accepted by LNers.

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« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2025, 05:24:06 PM »
1. The core issue: What is the CT explanation for the conspirators planting a suspiciously non-deformed bullet, fired from Oswald's rifle, at Parkland on a stretcher of unknown provenance? Did they prepare CE 399 in advance - WHY? Was this the best they could do? Why would this goofy scenario even have OCCURRED to sane conspirators? Why would they even NEED this bullet? Was this part of the game - "Just for the hell of it, let's make this more fun by doing something SO goofy it raises a hundred red flags " - ?. It makes UTTERLY no sense. All the red flags cut exactly in the opposite direction - i.e., in favor of authenticity and against conspiracy. You have to assign conspiratorial motives because you're stuck with this evidence, but the supposed conspiratorial motives MAKE NO SENSE. If you can, provide your rational explanation for what sense a planted CE 399 makes.

2. As ballistics-types have pointed out, CE 399 is in fact seriously deformed. It is anything but pristine. The fragments in Connally mesh well with the weight of the lead lost.

3. It was Connally himself who described a sound no louder than a wedding band hitting the floor. This just happens to match pretty perfectly with the cuff link that a nurse in fact found and gave to Nellie.

4. If a bullet or large fragment fell out of Connally's thigh and went pinging on the floor, one might think Connally's doctors would have noticed or been alerted. Dr. Charles Gregory, however, was mystified that there was no such bullet or fragment: "We were disconcerted by not finding a missile at all. Here was our patient with three discernible wounds, and no missile within him of sufficient magnitude to account for them, and we suggested that someone ought to search his belongings and other areas where he had been to see if it could be identified or found, rather."

5. Ken Rahn in 2001 published an extensive analysis of the fragments actually found:

"The Fragments and the Reasons for Analyzing Them" - https://kenrahn.com/JFK/Scientific_topics/NAA/NAA_and_assassination_II/The_fragments.html

"Why the Fragments Weren't Planted" - https://kenrahn.com/JFK/Scientific_topics/NAA/Frags_not_planted.html

"What Follows from the Fragments" - https://kenrahn.com/JFK/Scientific_topics/NAA/What_follows.html

Sure, the Magic Bullet is problematical, there was understandable chaos at Parkland, and there is conflict and confusion in the testimony. This is why starting point is to ask the questions posed in #1 above. Instead CTers want to make every issue into Evidence of Conspiracy, simply bypassing the somewhat larger issue of Whether and How This Makes Any Sense.

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« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2025, 05:24:06 PM »