The Warren Commission Sham

[John Iacoletti]

1. The core issue: What is the CT explanation for the conspirators planting a suspiciously non-deformed bullet, fired from Oswald's rifle, at Parkland on a stretcher of unknown provenance?

What makes you think CE-399 was ever at Parkland Hospital?

[John Iacoletti]

Do you still think the three people who were filmed by Mr. Towner as they walked across the pergola "patio" a few minutes after the assassination were three Bermuda-shorts-wearing guys, and that one of them was either wearing a blue headscarf or holding a blue balloon on a very short string?

I never thought those things, but nice try.  You made them up in a desperate attempt at an appeal to ridicule.

Do you still fantasize that you can determine the identities of indistinct blobs in blurry images, even from the backs of their indistinct, blurry heads, and that anybody should take those "identifications" seriously?

[Dan O'meara]

So you think that they just winged it by planting that slightly deformed bullet in a hope that its core loss would match the shrapnel found in Connally?

You don't have a clue if any of the core of CE399 was lost.
If any was lost you don't have a clue how much.
You don't have a clue how much the pieces left in JBC weighed.

After all the evidence that's been presented against CE399 being the bullet that passed through JFK and JBC this is a pretty weak response, if you don't mind me saying Jim.
See how you get on answering a few of these questions:

1] How quickly was the bullet rotating?
2] If the bullet was rotating, how did it enter JBC's wrist base-first and then his thigh base-first?
3] In the pic below explain how the rotating bullet passed through the bone without leaving an appropriately sized hole.
4] In the pic below, explain how CE399 could have left the spread of metal fragments in the wound.



5] What do you mean when you use the word "sideswiped"?
6] In the pic below, how does the size of the hole in Connally's jacket suggest the bullet was tumbling?



7] Do you agree that the limo should have been treated like a crime scene?
8] Do you agree vital ballistic evidence may have ended up in the Secret Service's mop bucket?

And what do you dispute about the following paragraph?

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson,the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!

[Dan O'meara]

1. The core issue: What is the CT explanation for the conspirators planting a suspiciously non-deformed bullet, fired from Oswald's rifle, at Parkland on a stretcher of unknown provenance? Did they prepare CE 399 in advance - WHY? Was this the best they could do? Why would this goofy scenario even have OCCURRED to sane conspirators? Why would they even NEED this bullet? Was this part of the game - "Just for the hell of it, let's make this more fun by doing something SO goofy it raises a hundred red flags " - ?. It makes UTTERLY no sense. All the red flags cut exactly in the opposite direction - i.e., in favor of authenticity and against conspiracy. You have to assign conspiratorial motives because you're stuck with this evidence, but the supposed conspiratorial motives MAKE NO SENSE. If you can, provide your rational explanation for what sense a planted CE 399 makes.

2. As ballistics-types have pointed out, CE 399 is in fact seriously deformed. It is anything but pristine. The fragments in Connally mesh well with the weight of the lead lost.

3. It was Connally himself who described a sound no louder than a wedding band hitting the floor. This just happens to match pretty perfectly with the cuff link that a nurse in fact found and gave to Nellie.

4. If a bullet or large fragment fell out of Connally's thigh and went pinging on the floor, one might think Connally's doctors would have noticed or been alerted. Dr. Charles Gregory, however, was mystified that there was no such bullet or fragment: "We were disconcerted by not finding a missile at all. Here was our patient with three discernible wounds, and no missile within him of sufficient magnitude to account for them, and we suggested that someone ought to search his belongings and other areas where he had been to see if it could be identified or found, rather."

5. Ken Rahn in 2001 published an extensive analysis of the fragments actually found:

"The Fragments and the Reasons for Analyzing Them" - https://kenrahn.com/JFK/Scientific_topics/NAA/NAA_and_assassination_II/The_fragments.html

"Why the Fragments Weren't Planted" - https://kenrahn.com/JFK/Scientific_topics/NAA/Frags_not_planted.html

"What Follows from the Fragments" - https://kenrahn.com/JFK/Scientific_topics/NAA/What_follows.html

Sure, the Magic Bullet is problematical, there was understandable chaos at Parkland, and there is conflict and confusion in the testimony. This is why starting point is to ask the questions posed in #1 above. Instead CTers want to make every issue into Evidence of Conspiracy, simply bypassing the somewhat larger issue of Whether and How This Makes Any Sense.

What is the CT explanation for the conspirators planting a suspiciously non-deformed bullet, fired from Oswald's rifle, at Parkland on a stretcher of unknown provenance?

This shows an extreme level of ignorance regarding this issue.

[Tom Graves]

Wow, talk about trying to have it both ways.  If the circumstances surrounding a piece of evidence are solid then it is authentic.  If the circumstances are contradictory, questionable, or inconclusive, then no Conspiracy would do that, therefore it is authentic.

The only "circumstance" that tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists find questionable about CE-399 is where it was found (i.e., either in a part of Parkland Hospital in which JBC is known to have been taken, or, according to a revelation by a Secret Service agent whose book would soon be published -- inside the limo by him!!!) and whether or not it could have been deformed "as little as it was" after causing . . . gasp . . . all seven wounds -- the only one of which involved its striking a hard bone (sideswiping, actually) was the wound to JBC's radial bone.

[Tom Graves]

Payette asked: "What is the CT explanation for the conspirators' planting a suspiciously non-deformed bullet (CE-399), fired from Oswald's rifle, at Parkland on a stretcher of unknown provenance?"

O'meara's responded: "This shows an extreme level of ignorance regarding this issue."

My comment: Your "response," O'meara, screams that you can't answer the question.

Which is totally understandable given the fact that CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC and therefore wasn't planted by one of your oodles and gobs of bad guys and . . . gasp . . . very, very bad gals.

[Royell Storing]

The only "circumstance" that tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists find questionable about CE-399 is where it was found (i.e., either in a part of Parkland Hospital in which JBC is known to have been taken, or, according to a revelation by a Secret Service agent whose book would soon be published -- inside the limo by him!!!) and whether or not it could have been deformed "as little as it was" after causing . . . gasp . . . all seven wounds -- the only one of which involved its striking a hard bone (sideswiping, actually) was the wound to JBC's radial bone.

       The above is Not true. Limiting Where CE-399 was found as to being the only "questionable" issue surrounding the Pristine Bullet is baloney. O.P. Wright questioned whether CE-399 was the same bullet that he gave to SA Johnsen.

[Lance Payette]

Wow, talk about trying to have it both ways.  If the circumstances surrounding a piece of evidence are solid then it is authentic.  If the circumstances are contradictory, questionable, or inconclusive, then no Conspiracy would do that, therefore it is authentic.

No, not at all. Each item of evidence must be considered separately. If CTers wish to assert that CE 399 was fabricated, planted, etc., we must ask how fabricating and planting it makes any sense in the context of a conspiracy. The notion of fabricating CE 399 and then claiming that it was found at Parkland on a stretcher that we're not even sure was Connally's and then was so badly handled that there are chain-of-custody issues - what possible sense does that make? It's so silly that it does indeed argue in favor of authenticity.

What makes you think CE-399 was ever at Parkland Hospital?

You apparently cannot see that you're digging yourself into a deeper hole. If it actually wasn't at Parkland, this makes things even worse for CTers. This means the conspirators fabricated the story that it was found at Parkland under dubious circumstances. Why would they do that? What sense does any of this make? Sane conspirators with the time to prepare a bullet fired from Oswald's rifle would surely - it seems to me - have planted a more obviously deformed bullet and left it to be found in the limousine.

The double whammy for CTers is that it makes no sense to (1) fabricate a bullet that raises as many red flags as CE 399 and (2) either plant it at Parkland under circumstances that raise red flags or, worse yet, claim it was found under those circumstances.