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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #144 on: April 03, 2025, 09:58:53 PM »
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No, not at all. Each item of evidence must be considered separately. If CTers wish to assert that CE 399 was fabricated, planted, etc., we must ask how fabricating and planting it makes any sense in the context of a conspiracy. The notion of fabricating CE 399 and then claiming that it was found at Parkland on a stretcher that we're not even sure was Connally's and then was so badly handled that there are chain-of-custody issues - what possible sense does that make? It's so silly that it does indeed argue in favor of authenticity.

You apparently cannot see that you're digging yourself into a deeper hole. If it actually wasn't at Parkland, this makes things even worse for CTers. This means the conspirators fabricated the story that it was found at Parkland under dubious circumstances. Why would they do that? What sense does any of this make? Sane conspirators with the time to prepare a bullet fired from Oswald's rifle would surely - it seems to me - have planted a more obviously deformed bullet and left it to be found in the limousine.

The double whammy for CTers is that it makes no sense to (1) fabricate a bullet that raises as many red flags as CE 399 and (2) either plant it at Parkland under circumstances that raise red flags or, worse yet, claim it was found under those circumstances.

   When you have a "Lost Bullet", all kinds of screwy things can be put into play. It's Improv Time. This assassination did Not go strictly according to Hoyle.
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #145 on: April 03, 2025, 09:59:51 PM »
Payette asked: "What is the CT explanation for the conspirators' planting a suspiciously non-deformed bullet (CE-399), fired from Oswald's rifle, at Parkland on a stretcher of unknown provenance?"

O'meara's responded: "This shows an extreme level of ignorance regarding this issue."

My comment: Your "response," O'meara, screams that you can't answer the question.

Which is totally understandable given the fact that CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC and therefore wasn't planted by one of your oodles and gobs of bad guys and . . . gasp . . . very, very bad gals.

What is wrong with you?

Can you prove that CE-399 is actually the bullet that went through JFK and JBC and then ended up at Parkland Hospital?

Let me save you the trouble; YOU CAN'T and never will be able to do so. The record shows that CE-399 started it's evidentiary life in Washington when Rowley gave a bullet to Todd, who was the first person to mark it.

Perhaps you should get off your high horse and actually try to actually discuss the evidence!

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #146 on: April 03, 2025, 10:01:07 PM »
1) Let's say that, somehow knowing with absolute certainty that CE-399 caused neither JFK's nor JBC's wounds and having heard that it had allegedly been found by in Parkland Hospital by Tomlinson in Parkland Hospital, who had allegedly given it to Wright, who had allegedly given it to Johnsen, who had allegedly given it to Rowley, who had allegedly given it to Todd (who scratched his initial on it), 1) why do you think it was shot through Oswald's short-rifle, and 2) what is its significance in the JFK Assassination case?

2) Tomlinson, Johnsen, and Rowley refused to identify seven months later, or were unable to identify seven months later for the simple reason that it was seven months later and they hadn't put their initials on it?

3) If I understand your theory correctly, you believe that the bullet that struck JBC's wrist fragmented into large pieces and left about five small fragments in the wound, itself. If I'm right about that, how do you explain the fact that none of the test bullets that were fired through the wrists of cadavers fragmented into large pieces?

Very poor effort Tom. Here's your list of questions for you to answer rather than ask more inane questions:

1] How quickly was the bullet rotating?
2] If the bullet was rotating, how did it enter JBC's wrist base-first and then his thigh base-first?
3] In the pic below explain how the rotating bullet passed through the bone without leaving an appropriately sized hole.
4] In the pic below, explain how CE399 could have left the spread of metal fragments in the wound.



5] What do you mean when you use the word "sideswiped"?
6] In the pic below, how does the size of the hole in Connally's jacket suggest the bullet was tumbling?



7] Do you agree that the limo should have been treated like a crime scene?
8] Do you agree vital ballistic evidence may have ended up in the Secret Service's mop bucket?

And what do you dispute about the following paragraph?

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson,the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!

If I understand your theory correctly, you believe that the bullet that struck JBC's wrist fragmented into large pieces and left about five small fragments in the wound, itself. If I'm right about that, how do you explain the fact that none of the test bullets that were fired through the wrists of cadavers fragmented into large pieces?

How do you explain that no test bullets fragmented they way the bullet did when it hit JFK's head?
Not even you are going to deny the bullet that hit JFK's head fragmented.
Why do you believe the bullet that hit JFK's head fragmented but the bullet that hit JBC's wrist bone didn't?

Tomlinson, Johnsen, and Rowley refused to identify seven months later, or were unable to identify seven months later for the simple reason that it was seven months later and they hadn't put their initials on it?

D'uuhhh...I can't recogmize this elephant because I didn't put my initials on it  ::)
They didn't put their initials on CE399 because they'd never seen it. Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley all handled a pointed "hunting slug". Why do you think the WC Sham refused to ask any of these men to identify CE399? In case you're stuck, the answer is that they knew would describe a bullet that clearly was not CE399.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #146 on: April 03, 2025, 10:01:07 PM »


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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #147 on: April 03, 2025, 10:04:08 PM »
What is wrong with you?

Can you prove that CE-399 is actually the bullet that went through JFK and JBC and then ended up at Parkland Hospital?

Let me save you the trouble; YOU CAN'T and never will be able to do so. The record shows that CE-399 started it's evidentiary life in Washington when Rowley gave a bullet to Todd, who was the first person to mark it.

Perhaps you should get off your high horse and actually try to actually discuss the evidence!

Weidmann,

Why do you refuse to deal with the ramifications of what you're suggesting -- that CE-399 was created by the bad guys to incriminate "patsy" Oswald?

Once again, how many bad guys and really, really bad gals were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Oodles and gobs?
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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #148 on: April 03, 2025, 10:13:09 PM »
No, not at all. Each item of evidence must be considered separately. If CTers wish to assert that CE 399 was fabricated, planted, etc., we must ask how fabricating and planting it makes any sense in the context of a conspiracy. The notion of fabricating CE 399 and then claiming that it was found at Parkland on a stretcher that we're not even sure was Connally's and then was so badly handled that there are chain-of-custody issues - what possible sense does that make? It's so silly that it does indeed argue in favor of authenticity.

You apparently cannot see that you're digging yourself into a deeper hole. If it actually wasn't at Parkland, this makes things even worse for CTers. This means the conspirators fabricated the story that it was found at Parkland under dubious circumstances. Why would they do that? What sense does any of this make? Sane conspirators with the time to prepare a bullet fired from Oswald's rifle would surely - it seems to me - have planted a more obviously deformed bullet and left it to be found in the limousine.

The double whammy for CTers is that it makes no sense to (1) fabricate a bullet that raises as many red flags as CE 399 and (2) either plant it at Parkland under circumstances that raise red flags or, worse yet, claim it was found under those circumstances.

The Nutter approach to the glaring fact that CE399 was not the bullet found in Parkland is to cry about "who planted it and why".

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson,the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!


These facts will always come first.
These are the facts that must be addressed.
Rather than bleating on about how it couldn't possibly be this way.

Roll up! Roll up! Nutters.
Now is your chance for glory.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #148 on: April 03, 2025, 10:13:09 PM »


Online Tom Graves

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #149 on: April 03, 2025, 10:29:56 PM »
The Nutter approach to the glaring fact that CE399 was not the bullet found in Parkland is to cry about "who planted it and why".

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson, the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!

They refused to identify it after seven months, or, given the fact that they'd failed to put their initials on it, were unable to identify it after seven months?

PS Take some deep breaths.

In through the nose, out through the mouth . . .




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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #150 on: April 03, 2025, 11:13:30 PM »
The Nutter approach to the glaring fact that CE399 was not the bullet found in Parkland is to cry about "who planted it and why".

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson,the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!


These facts will always come first.
These are the facts that must be addressed.
Rather than bleating on about how it couldn't possibly be this way.

Roll up! Roll up! Nutters.
Now is your chance for glory.

  Outstanding post. Keep up the good work.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #151 on: April 03, 2025, 11:22:52 PM »
They refused to identify it after seven months, or, given the fact that they'd failed to put their initials on it, were unable to identify it after seven months?

PS Take some deep breaths.

In through the nose, out through the mouth . . .

 ;D
Well done Tom, that's right, they did refuse to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
Not one or two of them...ALL FOUR MEN refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
All four, Tom.
They were unable to identify it because it was a different bullet.
Rowley and Johnsen didn't put their initials on CE399 because they handled a different bullet that day.
Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
He received a pointed "hunting slug" from Tomlinson and he gave that bullet to Johnsen.
The WC Sham knew not to question any of these men about CE399, so they didn't.
Even Darrell Tomlinson - the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland - was not asked to identify the bullet when he gave testimony. Let that sink in, Tom.
In fact, he wasn't asked a single question about the bullet itself - the man who discovered this absolutely key piece of evidence for the Sham's fantasy.
Don't forget that CE399 was held up as the key to the Single Bullet Theory. It is one of the most important pieces of evidence in this case as far as the WC's story is concerned.
Yet this fundamental piece of evidence was entered into evidence without a single person identifying it as the bullet that was found in Parkland.
How was that possible Tom?
Why wasn't this questioned by the Sham.

Now that it has been established that CE399 was NOT the bullet found in Parkland, here is a question for the Nutters to answer - where did CE399 come from?
And the answer has nothing to do with missing initials.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #151 on: April 03, 2025, 11:22:52 PM »