The Warren Commission Sham

[Dan O'meara]

I'm assuming that part of the metal jacket sheared off, Jim.
The bullet strikes JBC's wrist bone nose-on at a slightly oblique angle.
Part of the jacket near the nose shears off and travels through the wrist bone, exiting the wrist through the small slit-like exit wound in the crease of Connally's wrist.
Small fragments of the inner bullet are blasted off in different directions, some forming a 'trail' where the fragment of jacket travels.
The large bullet fragment deflects away from the wrist and enters JBC's thigh nose-on.
A small fragment escapes from the exposed nose and is left in JBC's thigh.

[Zeon Mason]

@Dan:  Are you suggesting that it’s plausible that an MC 6.5 mm ball nosed bullet WAS the bullet that hit JC , only that it fragmented and was more deformed than CE 399?

If so, then what is the reason to substitute the CE399 MC bullet for  an actual MC bullet that hit JC?

Imo the reason would be that the MC bullet and fragments recovered from JC could not be matched  to the barrel grooves of the MC rifle found on the 6th floor TSBD.

And that it might  be that Oswalds MC rifle was not even fired that day but was planted in the boxes sometime in the early am hours of Friday morning?

But that’s not likely what a solitary conspirator shooter intending to set up Oswald would do because it’s a lot easier to just use the MC rifle that has a mail order paper trail to Oswald’s P.O. Box.  And the shells left behind and any bullets recovered be matched to the rifle.

And it seems equally unlikely that a solitary conspirator shooter would use a completely different type rifle firing  conical shaped bullets while leaving behind the MC rifle, because the bullets recovered will not match the MC rifle.

So this idea that CE399 was substituted for any other type bullet that was recovered really is only plausible if there was a 2nd shooter who fired a bullet at Z224 and that bullet when found did not match the MC rifle found on the 6th floor.

It is difficult  to work out the firing sequence for the 2nd shooter if the 1st shot heard by anyone was at Z224 and how to reconcile that with Norman hearing all 3 shots right above him.
 

[Tom Graves]

Tom Graves asks: "In your scenario, what happened to the fragments from the bullet that passed through JFK and hit JBC's wrist?"

My answer: The largest fragment deflected away from the wrist and lodged itself in JBC's thigh. As he was being moved from his stretcher to the examining table it fell on the floor making a noise similar to a "wedding band" hitting the floor. This large fragment of bullet was picked up by a nurse who showed it to Henry Wade who was there visiting his good friend Connally. Wade told the nurse to give the bullet to a police officer. Apparently, she put the large bullet fragment in a small envelope and gave it to Texas Highway Patrolman Bob Nolan. At some point on its journey this large bullet fragment magically transformed into four small bullet fragments. A much smaller piece broke off the bullet, passed through the wrist bone and created a small slit-like exit wound in the crease of the wrist. It probably ended up in the Secret Service mop bucket that was (quite unbelievably) used to destroy the crime scene, probably along with a lot of other ballistic evidence.

LOL!

Who created CE-399, how did they create it, why did they create it, and who gave it to FBI agent Elmer Todd?

[Tom Graves]

It is difficult to work out the firing sequence for the 2nd shooter if the 1st shot heard by anyone was at Z224 and how to reconcile that with Norman hearing all 3 shots right above him.

That's nothing compared to trying to understand your English.

[Dan O'meara]

@Dan:  Are you suggesting that it’s plausible that an MC 6.5 mm ball nosed bullet WAS the bullet that hit JC , only that it fragmented and was more deformed than CE 399?

If so, then what is the reason to substitute the CE399 MC bullet for  an actual MC bullet that hit JC?

Imo the reason would be that the MC bullet and fragments recovered from JC could not be matched  to the barrel grooves of the MC rifle found on the 6th floor TSBD.

And that it might  be that Oswalds MC rifle was not even fired that day but was planted in the boxes sometime in the early am hours of Friday morning?

But that’s not likely what a solitary conspirator shooter intending to set up Oswald would do because it’s a lot easier to just use the MC rifle that has a mail order paper trail to Oswald’s P.O. Box.  And the shells left behind and any bullets recovered be matched to the rifle.

And it seems equally unlikely that a solitary conspirator shooter would use a completely different type rifle firing  conical shaped bullets while leaving behind the MC rifle, because the bullets recovered will not match the MC rifle.

So this idea that CE399 was substituted for any other type bullet that was recovered really is only plausible if there was a 2nd shooter who fired a bullet at Z224 and that bullet when found did not match the MC rifle found on the 6th floor.

It is difficult  to work out the firing sequence for the 2nd shooter if the 1st shot heard by anyone was at Z224 and how to reconcile that with Norman hearing all 3 shots right above him.

I don't understand why CE399 being substituted would imply a 2nd shooter but I do agree that it is weird that these bullets, which were designed specifically not to fragment (as I understand it) keep fragmenting. The bullet that hits JFK's head smashes into countless pieces leaving a metallic trail through his brain. In any re-enactment I've ever seen the bullet never fragments and, as I understand it, during the ballistic testing done as part of the Warren Commission 'investigation' not a single bullet fragmented yet during the assassination the two bullets that found the target fragmented.
Go figure.

Obviously, this anomaly never came to the attention of the Sham.

[Jim Hawthorn]

I don't understand why CE399 being substituted would imply a 2nd shooter but I do agree that it is weird that these bullets, which were designed specifically not to fragment (as I understand it) keep fragmenting. The bullet that hits JFK's head smashes into countless pieces leaving a metallic trail through his brain. In any re-enactment I've ever seen the bullet never fragments and, as I understand it, during the ballistic testing done as part of the Warren Commission 'investigation' not a single bullet fragmented yet during the assassination the two bullets that found the target fragmented.
Go figure.

Obviously, this anomaly never came to the attention of the Sham.

The conspirators would have had no idea about how much bullet debris was to be found in Kennedy, Connally or in the limo, so they would hardly introduce a slightly flattened bullet into the evidence trail, hoping that it would match what was found. That is just too far fetched. It really does look like CE399 was the "magic bullet". Not that this validates the lone nut theory though.

[Dan O'meara]

LOL!

That's it?
That's the sum total of your contribution to the discussion?
I answer every query you put forward in detail and this is all you can manage.
Well, do you know what, Thomas, it's your time to shine.
Let's have you answering a few questions, shall we?

1] How quickly was the bullet rotating?
2] If the bullet was rotating, how did it enter JBC's wrist base-first and then his thigh base-first?
3] In the pic below explain how the rotating bullet passed through the bone without leaving an appropriately sized hole.
4] In the pic below, explain how CE399 could have left the spread of metal fragments in the wound.



5] What do you mean when you use the word "sideswiped"?
6] In the pic below, how does the size of the hole in Connally's jacket suggest the bullet was tumbling?



7] Do you agree that the limo should have been treated like a crime scene?
8] Do you agree vital ballistic evidence may have ended up in the Secret Service's mop bucket?

That should keep you busy for a while.

Who created CE-399, how did they create it, why did they create it, and who gave it to FBI agent Elmer Todd?

Clearly, you're going to have to ask Elmer Todd.
These questions are part of your attempt to deflect from the following inconvenient truths:

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson,the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!

Only a Sham would operate like this.
Your silly questions will never hide what LNers are willing to turn a blind eye to regarding this case.

LOL!! 

[Dan O'meara]

The conspirators would have had no idea about how much bullet debris was to be found in Kennedy, Connally or in the limo, so they would hardly introduce a slightly flattened bullet into the evidence trail, hoping that it would match what was found. That is just too far fetched. It really does look like CE399 was the "magic bullet". Not that this validates the lone nut theory though.

 
It certainly was magic, the way it appeared out of nowhere.
Even more magical is the transformation of the large bullet fragment that was handed to Highway Patrolman Bob Nolan which morphed into the four tiny bullet fragments labelled Q9.