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Online Jim Hawthorn

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #176 on: April 04, 2025, 12:17:49 PM »
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Dan, can you clarify your position about the bullet that hit Connally please?

You reject the near-complete CE399 bullet and you say that one would expect to find a very fractured bullet, with even a large chunk falling to the floor in Connally's hospital room (and given to an officer).
Then you say that the actual bullet that went through Connally was found and it had a pointed head - with no mention that it was very badly damaged or missing said large chunk.



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« Reply #176 on: April 04, 2025, 12:17:49 PM »


Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #177 on: April 04, 2025, 07:05:29 PM »
Dan, can you clarify your position about the bullet that hit Connally please?

You reject the near-complete CE399 bullet and you say that one would expect to find a very fractured bullet, with even a large chunk falling to the floor in Connally's hospital room (and given to an officer).
Then you say that the actual bullet that went through Connally was found and it had a pointed head - with no mention that it was very badly damaged or missing said large chunk.

I don't mind clarifying my position on this at all, Jim.
If you look through my posts, rather than duck and dive like Lance or Tom, I try to deal with issues as fully and openly as possible.
So, I'd appreciate a fair hearing rather than ignore 95% of the post and pick one obscure detail and trying to make a big deal out of that.

CE399
This was NOT the bullet found by Darrell Tomlinson on a stretcher in Parkland.
This is why Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley all refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
It's probably why the initials of Johnsen and Rowley weren't on CE399 - they'd never seen CE399 before.
It's why the WC Sham never asked any of these men to identify CE399 as the bullet found in Parkland.
Even when the man who discovered the bullet on the stretcher, Darrell Tomlinson, was giving testimony he wasn't asked a single question about the bullet itself. He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to just describe it.
When Josiah Thompson interviewed O P Wright (an ex-DPD Chief), Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet that Tomlinson gave him and that he handed to SSA Johnsen. He described the bullet as a pointed "hunting slug".
He even had a search through his drawers and came up with a bullet similar to the one he handled:



It is unbelievable that the Sham allowed CE399 to be admitted as evidence when not a single person identified it as such. They went out of their way to evade the identification of it.
CE399 appears out of nowhere with FBI agent Elmer Todd. It is Todd who takes the bullet to the others for them to identify which they all refuse to do, including Secret Service Chief Rowley, the man who was supposed to have given CE399 to Todd!
It has been demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that CE399 was NOT the bullet found at Parkland so it is up to Nutters to explain where CE399 came from.

This brings us to the very strange and often forgotten tale about the bullet that fell from Connally's stretcher. I came across this story in an article by Robert Harris -
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-connally-bullet
It reveals a bullet, or large fragment of a bullet, fell from Connally's stretcher as he was moved onto the operating table.
This is the relevant passage from Harris' article:

But there is an even better reason why we can be quite certain that CE399 was not the bullet that wounded Governor Connally. The real bullet was found on the second floor and recovered by a nurse, who then passed it on to officer Bobby Nolan, who then delivered it to the Dallas Police department. The confirmation of this begins with Governor Connally. This is from his autobiography entitled, "In History's shadow".

"..the most curious discovery of all took place when they rolled me off the stretcher, and onto the examining table. A metal object fell to the floor, with a click no louder than a wedding band. The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket. It was the bullet from my body, the one that passed though my back, chest and wrist and worked itself loose from my thigh.
There was enormous significance to that scrap of metal, but I can't be certain how many years later I understood the importance of it. I have always believed that three bullets found their mark. What happened in the hospital demonstrated how easily a bullet could have been swept aside and lost."


What the governor obviously didn't realize however, is that the bullet was not "swept aside". Certainly, the nurse who recovered it would not have just discarded the most important piece of forensic evidence she had ever handled. As it turned out, the Dallas District attorney arrived at the hospital, eager to find out how his old friend, Governor Connally was doing. It seems that he arrived at about the same time that the surgery on the governor was completed, when he ran into that same nurse who found the bullet. This is from an interview of Dallas District attorney, Henry Wade, by the Dallas Morning News.

"I also went out to see (Gov. John) Connally, but he was in the operating room. Some nurse had a bullet in her hand, and said this was on the gurney that Connally was on. I talked with Nellie Connally a while and then went on home.

Q: What did you do with the bullet? Is this the famous pristine bullet people have talked about?

A: I told her to give it to the police, which she said she would. I assume that's the pristine bullet."


The nurse promptly carried out the district attorney's instructions, passing the bullet to the nearest uniformed officer in sight, who happened to be Dallas Hwy Patrolman, Bobby Nolan, who was standing in the hallway talking to Connally aide, Bill Stinson. This is from my interview of Nolan in 2010:

"I was talking to a man who was one of governor Connally's aides. His name was - I think it was either Stinton or Stimmons (Bill Stinson). And he was an aide to the Governor. And she came up and told him that she had the bullet that came off of the gurney. Now I don't know what gurney. I think they meant Governor Connally's gurney. And she said, "What do you want me to do with it?" He and I were just sitting there in the hallway talking to me and said, "Give it to him"

Q. Was it a bullet fragment or a complete bullet?

Nolan: I don't know. It was a  - they told me that it was a bullet. And I don't know if it was a fragment of a bullet or a whole bullet because it was in a little, small brown envelope. And it was sealed and it was about, I'd say 2 by 3 inches. And it was in that envelope when I got it and I never did look at it or anything."

Q. Now when the nurse gave it to you, did she describe it as a bullet fragment or as a bullet.

Nolan: Uh no. She just said it was a bullet. That's all.


Nolan delivered the bullet to the Dallas Police department that evening, and the next morning, was interviewed by the FBI, who reported (emphasis is mine), Bobby M. Nolan, Texas highway patrolman, Tyler district, was interviewed relative to a bullet fragment removed from the left thigh of Governor Connally, which was turned over to him at Parkland Hospital in Dallas for delivery to the FBI.


JBC recalls a bullet or large fragment of a bullet falling to the floor while he was being transferred from his stretcher and a nurse picking it up. Wade recalls the nurse coming to him with it and telling her to give it to a police officer. Nolan, stood just outside where JBC was being operated on, talking to Connally's chief Aide, Bill Stinson, receives the bullet from the nurse. Later that evening Nolan places the envelope he was given on the desk of Captain Fritz.

This all seems straight forward enough but, at some point, this bullet or large fragment of a bullet, disappears and is replaced by four very small bullet fragments that were taken from Connally's wrist. As wild as this seems it is what happened.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #178 on: April 04, 2025, 07:48:14 PM »
I don't mind clarifying my position on this at all, Jim.
Thanks Dan, that makes it clear. However in other threads, arguing against the validity of CE399, you say that the bullet that hit Connally's wrist must have broken up or very deformed. Yet it would seem that the pointed head bullet was pretty intact.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #179 on: April 04, 2025, 10:46:44 PM »
Thanks Dan, that makes it clear. However in other threads, arguing against the validity of CE399, you say that the bullet that hit Connally's wrist must have broken up or very deformed. Yet it would seem that the pointed head bullet was pretty intact.

It was only an example of the kind of bullet the confused and forgetful dude thought he'd seen seven months (or more?) earlier.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #180 on: April 04, 2025, 10:49:45 PM »
Thanks Dan, that makes it clear. However in other threads, arguing against the validity of CE399, you say that the bullet that hit Connally's wrist must have broken up or very deformed. Yet it would seem that the pointed head bullet was pretty intact.

Sorry Jim, I really can't tell whether you're being serious or not.
I made that mistake in a previous post.
Just in case you are being serious - the large bullet fragment that fell off JBC's gurney while he was being transferred to the operating table is the bullet that hit his wrist.
There are three bullets in play -
1] CE399
2] The pointed bullet found by Darrell Tomlinson
3] The large bullet fragment that fell from JBC;s gurney while he was in the operating theatre.

The picture of the pointed bullet I posted has nothing to do with the assassination. As I explained in my post, this is a picture of a bullet that O P Wright provided simply to show what the bullet he handled on the day of the assassination looked like.
The actual pointed bullet found by Darrell Tomlinson disappeared without a trace.
The large bullet fragment that fell from JBC's gurney disappeared without a trace.
CE399 magically appeared out of nowhere with FBI agent Elmer Todd.

The bullet that passed through JFK and JBC hit JBC's wrist bone.
A piece of the jacket sheared off and passed through the wrist bone and out of the small slit-like exit wound in the crease of JBC's wrist.
Small metal fragments were blown into JBC's wrist wound and can be seen in the X-ray of JBC's wrist I posted.
The remaining large fragment of this bullet deflected off the wrist bone and lodged itself in JBC's thigh.
As JBC was being transferred from his gurney to the operating table, this large bullet fragment fell to the floor and was picked up by a nurse.
This nurse showed the large fragment to Henry Wade and he told her to give it to a police officer.
She put it in a small envelope and gave it to Texas Highway patrolman, Bob Nolan.
Bob Nolan placed this envelope on Fritz's desk.


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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #181 on: April 04, 2025, 10:53:40 PM »
It was only an example of the kind of bullet the confused and forgetful dude thought he'd seen seven months (or more?) earlier.

It's sad that this is all you've got, Tom.
Don't you feel a bit embarrassed?
Nutters often forget that the forum is a written record, there for all to see.
You really should take that on board.

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« Reply #182 on: April 04, 2025, 11:45:29 PM »
It's sad that this is all you've got, Tom.
Don't you feel a bit embarrassed?
Nutters often forget that the forum is a written record, there for all to see.
You really should take that on board.

Your ignorance is so profound and your attitude so crummy, you really should go to a website that caters to gas lighters and dummies, because you'd be right at home there, O'meara.

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Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Reply #183 on: April 04, 2025, 11:54:48 PM »
Your ignorance is so profound and your attitude so crummy, you really should go to a website that caters to gas lighters and dummies, because you'd be right at home there, O'meara.

You were one of the main reasons I got into the JFK assassination. When I saw the group work you were involved with on the Ed Forum I really wanted to be part of something like that.
Now you just seem like a sad, bitter, old loser who couldn't string a decent argument together if his life depended on it.
By the way, I find your habit of starting threads about other forum members disgusting and I'm quite surprised it's allowed to happen.
If you can't contribute to the debate why don't you just f"ck off?

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« Reply #183 on: April 04, 2025, 11:54:48 PM »