Was G. Calvery talking with Joe Molina on the steps 30 seconds after the shots?

[Tom Graves]

I believe big, tall, glasses-wearing Gloria Calvery was one of the four headscarf-wearing gals who were standing virtually shoulder-to-shoulder on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade in the Zapruder film.

I believe that she can be seen about 30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip as she's standing on the TSBD steps (with her back to the camera), evidently talking with a baldish man (Joe Molina?) as a youngish dressed-in-white woman (Calvary's colleague, Carol Reed or Karan Hicks?) passes her on the right and apparently tries to coax her up the steps.

I believe we can see at the same time one of her motorcade-watching colleagues (Carol Reed or Karan Hicks) running like crazy from left-to-right down Elm Street Extension towards the TSBD entrance, Officer Baker dashing from left-to-right towards the front steps, Roy Truly spinning around in front of the steps, watching Baker run past him, and Billy Lovelady and William Shelley booking it down Elm Street Extension towards the railroad yard / parking lot.

Assuming I'm right, does what I've said have a bearing on 1) the veracity of Lovelady's and Shelley's claims as to what they did after the assassination (and how soon), 2) the accuracy of the statements of Officer Baker, Roy Truly, Vicki Adams, and Sandra Styles, and 3) whether or not it was possible for Oswald to descend from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor lunchroom without being seen by any of those last four people?

Regarding Molina, this is what he told the Warren Commission:

Mr. BALL. Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary (sic)?

Mr. MOLINA. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Did Gloria come up?

Ms. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.

Mr. BALL. What did she say?

Mr. MOLINA. She said “Oh, my God, Joe, he’s been shot.” They were both horrified. I said “Are you sure he was shot?” She said “Oh, Joe, I’m sure. I saw his hair fly up and I’m sure he was shot,” something to that extent.

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I figure Molina mis-remembered exactly where he was when Calvery and her colleague encountered him on the steps, and that the three of them probably went into the building and continued their conversation there.

[Royell Storing]

  I believe that Calvery is on the Darnell Film moving from the top portion of the Knoll down toward the sidewalk. This screws up your timeline of Calvery talking with Molina and then going inside the TSBD. I believe her being on the Darnell Film bolsters the timeline that Lovelady and Shelley put forth in their WC Testimony.   

[Tom Graves]

I believe that Calvery is on the Darnell Film moving from the top portion of the Knoll down toward the sidewalk. This screws up your timeline of Calvery talking with Molina and then going inside the TSBD. I believe her being on the Darnell Film bolsters the timeline that Lovelady and Shelley put forth in their WC Testimony.   

Your belief should be revised because you're making the common error of mistaking self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob for Gloria Jean Calvery.

Perhaps you should look into it.

[Dan O'meara]

Your belief should be revised because you're making the common error of mistaking self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob for Gloria Jean Calvery.

Perhaps you should look into it.

Molina saw Gloria in the lobby. He says as much.
The only bald person Gloria talked to on the front steps was Billy Lovelady.

[Tom Graves]

Molina saw Gloria in the lobby. He says as much.
The only bald person Gloria talked to on the front steps was Billy Lovelady.

Reread my post until it sinks in.

And while you're at it, try to think of who it could be walking / running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot other than virtually bald Billy Lovelady and William "Pompadour" Shelley.

[Dan O'meara]

Reread my post until it sinks in.

And while you're at it, try to think of who it could be walking / running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot other than virtually bald Billy Lovelady and William "Pompadour" Shelley.

Posted by yourself:

Ms. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.

D'oh!

Molina was already "in the lobby" when Gloria "came in" to the lobby.
You've got nowhere to go with that buddy so let that sink in.

From Lovelady's WC testimony:

Mr. BALL. When Gloria came up and said the President had been shot, Gloria Calvary, what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY. Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was

The only bald person Gloria talked to on the front steps was Billy Lovelady.
Let that sink in.

"And while you're at it, try to think of who it could be walking / running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot other than virtually bald Billy Lovelady and William "Pompadour" Shelley."

In the video below (by Gerda Dunkel) it is clear that the two men are not with each other, they just happen to be walking in the same direction.
The man you believe is Lovelady starts off behind 'Shelley'. As the clip rolls on he overtakes 'Shelley' and is clearly walking a lot faster than him. By the end of the clip 'Lovelady' is well ahead of 'Shelley' and they are obviously not walking together.  If we could roll the clip on further the gap between the two men would just carry on increasing.

The man you believe is William "Pompadour" Shelley is most likely Danny "Pompadour" Arce.

[Tom Graves]

Your "Shelley" looks too broad-shouldered to be William Shelley.

Is there a statute that says two guys gotta be holding hands in order for them to be considered walking "together"?

http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Anatomy%20of%20the%20second%20floor%20lunch%20room%20encounter%20Aug%2027%202017-by_Bart%20Kamp.pdf

[Tom Graves]

Molina saw Gloria in the lobby. He says as much.
The only bald person Gloria talked to on the front steps was Billy Lovelady.

You might be right.

The report Detective Senkel wrote about his 11/23/63 interview of Molina says he was standing on the first step, heard three shots, didn't know where they came from, went down the embankment towards Commerce (sic) Street, saw officers close the gate to the parking lot to the west of the TSBD, and then Truly (sic) went back into the TSBD and stayed on the first floor.

I wonder if Molina is visible in this clip by Couch?