Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?

[Matt Grantham]

 Are we to assume parts of the FBI were actually objectively investigating, or was it all a game of cat and mouse, power and blackmail?

[Walt Cakebread]

Are we to assume parts of the FBI were actually objectively investigating, or was it all a game of cat and mouse, power and blackmail?

Not every FBI agent was crooked or involved with the cover up....As a matter of fact very few FBI agents were Hoover's "Extra Special" Special agents.    BUT....  J.Edgar Hoover ruled with an iron fist....   And every FBI agent knew that he would have to "toe the mark" drawn by Hoover or else....

Just as most German officers did not subscribe to Hitler's insane ideas...they knew that if they didn't "toe the line" drawn by Hitler they would pay the price.....

IOW....Hoover played the fiddle....and his FBI special agents either danced to Hoover's tune or else..... 

[Walt Cakebread]

As I figured, you have NONE. No surprise there since the evidence shows that Day lifted nothing off of CE 139.

No Rob...  As usual you refuse to accept information and believe BS....

I could cite you chapter and verse that reveals the FACT that Day lifted that smudge from the wooden foregrip of the carcano while he was examining the rifle in the TSBD at about 1:45 that afternoon...and Tom Alyea is on record as watching detective Day lift the smudge that later became CE 634 .....  But to present that again would be a waste of my time just as our debate about the clip being ejected like the clip from an M-1 was a waste of time ....

You will accept BS if it fits with some theory you like.....while ignoring solid facts.

[Walt Cakebread]

As I figured, you have NONE. No surprise there since the evidence shows that Day lifted nothing off of CE 139.

Tom Alyea wrote:

Shortly after we arrived back on the 6th floor, Deputy Eugene Boone located the assassin's rifle almost completely hidden by some overhanging boxes near the stairwell. I filmed it as it was found. In my shot, the figure of Captain Fritz is standing within the enclosure next to the rifle. He knew then that the possibility of a fire fight with the sniper had greatly diminished. He dispatched one of his men to go down and call for the crime lab. About fifteen minutes later, Lt. Day and Studebaker arrived. Still pictures were taken of the positioning of the rifle, then Lt. Day slid it out from its hiding place and held it up for all of us to see. The world has seen my shot of this many times. Lt. Day immediately turned toward the window behind him and started dusting the weapon for fingerprints. Day was still within the enclosure formed by the surrounding boxes. I filmed him lifting prints from the rifle. He lifted them off with scotch tape and placed them on little white cards.


We know that only partial prints were found on the rifle's trigger guard and Day did not lift those partial prints...He merely placed cellophane tape on them to protect them from being damaged before he could examine them in the police lab.  So that cannot be what Alyea saw Day lift and place on white card......

What print do we have that might be the one that Alyea saw Day lift??

The only print of a lift is the so called "palm print" ( CE 634) and it was listed on the evidence list of the evidence that was turned over to the FBI at midnight.

The story of detective Day disassembling the rifle and discovering a palm print on the small diameter metal barrel is simply a fabrication and a damned lie.....     

[Jack Trojan]

How does the infrequency of Oswald's prints compare to someone who was actually there and did the deed? The only explanation for you LNers is that Oswald must have worn gloves. So are you sticking with that?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

How does the infrequency of Oswald's prints compare to someone who was actually there and did the deed? The only explanation for you LNers is that Oswald must have worn gloves. So are you sticking with that?

What do criminologists and forensic scientists say about finding identifiable prints on weapons? Or in general at crime scenes? . Let's limit it to firearms since that's the issue you raised. Not only today but fifty plus years ago? This is not the movies; this is real life.

So, what do the experts say? Have you researched the issue? Yes, this is a challenge because I've read what they say. And you won't like it.

For example, from a 1997 article published in "The Journal of Forensic Identification":
"Latent fingerprint examiners generally know that even when cutting edge technology such as cyanoacrylate fuming and laser/forensic light source examination are utilized, successful development of latent prints on firearms is difficult to achieve. In reality, very few identifiable latent prints are found on firearms, a fact that has been discussed in both the literature and the judicial system."

And that's not an anecdote.

[Jack Trojan]

What do criminologists and forensic scientists say about finding identifiable prints on weapons? Or in general at crime scenes? . Let's limit it to firearms since that's the issue you raised. Not only today but fifty plus years ago? This is not the movies; this is real life.

So, what do the experts say? Have you researched the issue? Yes, this is a challenge because I've read what they say. And you won't like it.

For example, from a 1997 article published in "The Journal of Forensic Identification":
"Latent fingerprint examiners generally know that even when cutting edge technology such as cyanoacrylate fuming and laser/forensic light source examination are utilized, successful development of latent prints on firearms is difficult to achieve. In reality, very few identifiable latent prints are found on firearms, a fact that has been discussed in both the literature and the judicial system."

And that's not an anecdote.

So that explains why Oswald didn't leave a single print on the stock, barrel, trigger, clip, ammo and scope of the MC after he disassembled then reassembled it in the TSBD. Is that what those latent fingerprint examiners are suggesting or are you?

[Walt Cakebread]

So that explains why Oswald didn't leave a single print on the stock, barrel, trigger, clip, ammo and scope of the MC after he disassembled then reassembled it in the TSBD. Is that what those latent fingerprint examiners are suggesting or are you?

Lee Oswald didn't leave a print on the stock, barrel, trigger, clip, ammo or scope of the MC after he disassembled then reassembled it in the TSBD.....because he never disassembled or reassembled that Carcano that day.

If anybody has solid proof that Lee Oswald handled that Carcano that day, then please... please....   present the proof.