Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?

[Walt Cakebread]

Another cool story, bro.  Any actual evidence that this happened?

The only evidence that I'm aware of is CE 637.....   And it very obviously DOES support Tom Alyea's account of watching detective Day Lift prints from the rifle....

And I'm not your Bro....  I asked Mom...   And she said that she thinks abortion is wrong.....But If you were her son...

[John Iacoletti]

The only evidence that I'm aware of is CE 637.....   And it very obviously DOES support Tom Alyea's account of watching detective Day Lift prints from the rifle....

I'm talking about your fabricated conversation with the captain:

"Hey cap.....These prints I lifted from the rifle don't match  the prints we took from our commie patsy!   What do you want to do with them?"

Any evidence that ever took place anywhere other than in your fevered imagination?

And I'm not your Bro....  I asked Mom...   And she said that she thinks abortion is wrong.....But If you were her son...

Then stop spreading fake news, bro!

[Walt Cakebread]

As I figured, you have NO supporting evidence for Day's claim. What else is new?

Of course you can't see the evidence....  There are many people that can't see that the lift on the scotch tape in CE 637 was IN FACT lifted from the wooden foregrip of a mannlicher carcano model 91/38 short rifle.  But simply because someone is ignorant, and doesn't want to learn from the evidence that is right before their eyes, does not eliminate that evidence.  There is ZERO doubt that the so called "palm print" ( smudge) seen in CE 637 was lifted from the wooden foregrip.   And Tom Alyea watched detective Day as he performed the lifts in the TSBD that afternoon.

As long as folks keep the blinders on and refuse to believe their own eyes, they will remain ignorant......

[Walt Cakebread]

As I figured, you have NO supporting evidence for Day's claim. What else is new?

What "Day's claim" are you referring to?

[Mike Orr]

Fifty-four years after JFK's assassination, newly released classified documents state that the FBI reportedly lost Oswald's fingerprints that authorities lifted from the rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository after the President was assassinated in Dallas. According to documents, Dallas Police claimed they submitted the original fingerprints to the FBI, and those prints were never returned to the police. Now FBI files dated from July 1978 indicate the fingerprints are missing from the agency's vast archives. How convenient.

At the time of the investigation in 1963, agents and outside experts concluded that a palm print taken from the barrel of the rifle belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald. In "Faulty Evidence," author Michael T. Griffith reported that Dallas police claimed Oswald's prints had NOT been found on the weapon. When the FBI's Latona examined the Carcano on Nov. 23, he did not find Oswald's prints on the weapon. Moreover, Latona said the rifle's barrel did NOT look as though it had ever been processed for prints.
  No fingerprints were found on any of the three empty bullet shells found in the TSBD, or on the intact bullet. Nor were any prints found on the rifle clip that held the intact bullet and into which the shells must have been loaded by hand [ Warren Commission Hearings, Vol.4 pp.253, 258-60 ]

 www.newnationalist.net/2017/12/23/new-jfk-file-release-oswald-fingerprint-lifts-on-rifle-were-lost

[Walt Cakebread]

Fifty-four years after JFK's assassination, newly released classified documents state that the FBI reportedly lost Oswald's fingerprints that authorities lifted from the rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository after the President was assassinated in Dallas. According to documents, Dallas Police claimed they submitted the original fingerprints to the FBI, and those prints were never returned to the police. Now FBI files dated from July 1978 indicate the fingerprints are missing from the agency's vast archives. How convenient.

At the time of the investigation in 1963, agents and outside experts concluded that a palm print taken from the barrel of the rifle belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald. In "Faulty Evidence," author Michael T. Griffith reported that Dallas police claimed Oswald's prints had NOT been found on the weapon. When the FBI's Latona examined the Carcano on Nov. 23, he did not find Oswald's prints on the weapon. Moreover, Latona said the rifle's barrel did NOT look as though it had ever been processed for prints.
  No fingerprints were found on any of the three empty bullet shells found in the TSBD, or on the intact bullet. Nor were any prints found on the rifle clip that held the intact bullet and into which the shells must have been loaded by hand [ Warren Commission Hearings, Vol.4 pp.253, 258-60 ]

 www.newnationalist.net/2017/12/23/new-jfk-file-release-oswald-fingerprint-lifts-on-rifle-were-lost

Thanks for posting the link, Mike.....   But notice the deception  ( or outright lying)  used as the headline....

Newly Released JFK Files Indicate Evidence of Oswald?s Fingerprints on Rifle was ?Lost?

You can bet the farm that if the lifts were actually the prints of Lee Oswald they wouldn't have been "lost"....

[Walt Cakebread]

What happened to Alyea's film?

Alyea's film.....Would someone please post a link to it?


Here's the problem....  Tom Alyea says that he watched as detective Day lifted prints ( that's PRINTS meaning more than one print)

We do have one print that was lifted from the wooden foregrip of a model 91/38 carcano rifle.  LBJ's cover up committee gave us that photo of the lifted print an it is identified as CE 634.  The also gave us a BS story about how CE 634 came to be.

Now to the crux of the matter....  Tom Alyea said that he saw AND FILMED detective Day lift PRINTS from the rifle....

Detective Day is on record as stating that he saw PRINTS on the rifle when he dusted the rifle for prints in the TSND at about 1:45 that afternoon.   Day said that he placed cellophane tape over the prints on the trigger guard to protect the prints until he could get to the police lab and examine the prints under better conditions.   However there are dozens of photos of detective Day carrying the carcano as he departs the TSBD with the carcano....and there is NO cellophane tape on the trigger guard of the rifle.

We do have FBI photos that were taken of the trigger guard (magazine) which show a small bit of someone's finger prints.   And those photos appear to show the remnants of prints that were left behind on the magazine  after someone lifted the major portion of the finger prints.

SO the question I have is:.....Was Tom Alyea correct when he said that he watched detective Day lift prints ( plural) from the carcano?   Did Day find prints that obviously were not Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald's, who was the patsy and arch villain ??   

[Mark Carter]

Someone has been getting false information. Detective Day was the Dallas DPs fingerprint expert. The shells didn't have Oswald fingerprints on them but the M Carcano had Oswald palm print on the stock. This coincides with testimony given to the commission by Arnold Rowland who said that he saw a man holding a rifle with a scope on it about 15 minutes before the assassination took place in the sixth floor window
Not only did Oswald plant the M Carcano on the sixth floor he also ate his lunch on the sixth floor snipers nest. There was a brown paper lunch sack found in the snipers nest on the sixth floor. The FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona' said that Oswald fingerprints were on the lunch sack. Later on during testimony. Bonnie Ray Williams claimed that the lunch sack belonged to him. He was lying. Jack Ruby paid Williams to lie to the Warren Commission. You can read Detective Day's testimony below. Day also took the photos of the snipers nest and w9as complaining that somebody moved some boxes and was tampering with the crime scene.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/day1.htm